Rather than say yes or no to specific, to even show sanctions, i would just give you one perspective. To my left eye the guy who knows iran far better than i. To my right eye of someone who knows the nuclear account far better than i. What can i contribute to this . What i would suggest is first i know a little bit about dealing with the Foreign Government as i spent 40 years doing it. And last i know a lot about military engagements because ive been involved in a lot of them. What i would say is figuring out your position, remember that there are many other factors besides the United States and iran in this thing. We rely on other countries to accommodate us by carrying out the sanctions. Theyre the ones who cut imports of oil, not we. We put penalties on them if they do, but they have to decide going along with us and uploading the penalties is more important than bringing in the oil and such. And under certain circumstances, depending on what the sanctions are, they may or may not at some point go along with us. So that is the devil in the details. We do need this International Coalition. Normally not only for the sanctions but also not at the back but at the front of my mind with everything we do with iran with this issue is if we have to go to military force, because i think thats an extreme importantimportant ly. I think its alaska possibly. I spent four years in iraq and vietnam. I know what its like sending our troops into whatever you administration does and whatever congress does, we ensure that we are not so out of sync with the rest of the International Community that we are isolated test thats going to be a bad place to be if this gets really serious. I appreciate that, and the fact is that sometimes in the sanction regime effort you have to lead and to get others to follow, or to join. I shouldnt say follow, but to join. Thats been our experience here. Then at some point, others lead and we follow. The European Union was on its way to a total oil embargo before we moved in a certain direction that asked for further reductions. So there has been, to some degree in this respect, a concert of efforts. And i agree with you we need to maintain that, but it just seems to me that the simple threat of a new round without that taking its bite well within a certain period of time beyond the breakout period is, i dont understand what the cause for alarm is. Dr. Albright, well give you the final word. I dont think its cause for alarm but i think i think they have to be justified carefully, because its going to be asking allies to do things and even adversaries, if i can characterize china that way. So i think it has to be demonstrated that they are needed and justified. I agree with that and we can definitely do that because we can show where iran and even under the present sanctions regime, has efforts to circumvent. I would simply say, the world watches the slaughter in syria and didnt seem to walk act. So if we want to avoid the use of military force, which i believe needs to be a credible threat on the table as part of the equation, our best way to achieve that with the International Community is to have iran feel the domestic and integral pressure that has, as you suggested, the ayatollah and his a dual portfolio come to it decision of that, one thatll has to be abated but given that. I would add though that it should be motivated by what happens in october. And if october comes and we hear that we have had some positive substantive negotiations but nothing has ceased. Lets say if october came and they said, were going to stop right now, all enrichment, so lets stop another round of new sanctions, i dont know, maybe that might be something, and then work from there. But if october comes and all we hear, which is what every p5 1 process has largely led to is that weve had discussions and theres been some Good Environment but nothing substantive has come. How many times of the october 15 do we have . I would argue, i guess i would take ambassador sherman at her word. This is the test and if they dont pass it in october, then more action would occur, particularly in congress. Senator corker . Thank you. I like that very much line of questioning and i want to thank you again for witnesses as being here. Mr. Takkeyh, speaking of october, and we will know soon obviously, but what is it that you think irans foreign minister is going to say to secretary kerry and secretary sherman . My guess is theyre going to try to suggest, create a degree of cooperation with the iaea which follows up on the promise of transparency. I think they have been for a long time interested in selling 20 enrichment, and to some extent Prime Minister netanyahu will remiss in emphasizing 20 when the problem has always been enrichment at 3. 5 , and that is taking place at industrial scale in the towns. I wrong in seven trying to sell the 20 for a long time, so i suspect they might table something about 20 exchange for sanctions relief, such as that may not directly involve the United States congress such as swiss accounts and so and so forth for some aspects of the european commerce. So you kind of come out of that meeting by suggesting some agreements have been made that deal at least with the outer perimeters of the nuclear issue. That would be on, my guess would be on the upscale of what they could offer. So back to what senator menendez was asking a minute ago, or talking about, the coalition. I guess one of the important elements, and i know two of you are taking a slightly more cautious approach to sanctions, mr. Takeyh may be more aggressive. But an important part of what were doing is keeping our coalition together. In other words, without the International Coalition we have the sanctions that we put in place, candidly dont have the impact that they otherwise would have and i would just ask each of you, from your perspective, tell us where you think that coalition is today, relative to whats going on. And just add to that, in the event, for instance, these talks are not successful and i think most people here are pretty skeptical about where this is going to go, lets say there isnt something that comes out tangibly very soon, how is the coalition hanging together well and can it go on for long period of time as it is today . I would say my experience would be that its under stress. I mean, europeans are being asked to do more and more, and theres some pushback now that wasnt there a year ago. So i think its under stress and thats why i think the new congressional sanction should be motivated by what iran does or doesnt do. And i do share your concerns about midoctober because i just thought of this. Been listening carefully to ambassador sherman, it appears that what could happen is iran is being asked to respond to the ramadi proposal that was made, not to come up with a comprehensive framework agreement. And secret enough with the situation where iran response to the proposal which is very limited and the proposal is public now so we all know whats in it. And even if iran suggested that it doesnt get anywhere near whats necessary. So i think the Administration Needs to push much more firmly about, is iran going to provide in a sense a bottom line in october . And again, this would have to be nonpublic discussions, obviously, but id think we do need to know what exactly is going to happen in october and is it the test we think it will be. And i think the world is going to be watching very carefully, and i think what happened in syria is something to Pay Attention to, that military strikes are not that easy to get support for right now. And i think the sanctions could be the most important pressure thats brought to bear to get iran to take the steps necessary to solve this. And so i would argue that after october, that it really may be necessary to apply those sanctions or pass the sanctions, in order to then get a deal. Mr. Jeffrey . First of all, david is right about the deal and the going imposition. I think there may be some hope for offline direct u. S. Iranian talks, which the door does seem to be open to come and the president also in his statement the other day did refer to the sort of sanctions that the iranians, i think, want. They would have to be very significant, verifiable, transparent and meaningful steps. So i think that he at least is thinking about going beyond the proposals and try to find out what their bottom line is. They will want to know what the International Communitys bottom line is in terms of sanctions, but in terms of your question to coalition. Im a little bit worried because i think the coalition more than the United States is being wooed a bit by rouhanis performance at the u. N. , his various writings and the rest of this stuff, and they are hoping this air of good feelings will move forward. So we have to really educate them a bit that it is actions and not words, and the president has done a good job in this, and the more support he can get from congress on this the better on that. In terms of china in purchasing oil, thats something i think you have to look at the intelligence on on what their options are and what they are. In terms of russia, they have been very unhelpful on the second thing, in some respects, and i think they will exact a high price for further cooperation with us. So theres some maneuvering back and forth but i think we are at a point where within the next few weeks we can see whether the signs are going in that direction, then the administration left to convince allies, have to convince you, have to convince the American Public that its worth either pursuing a negotiated track, or return to the sanctions with the military option if the iranians start crossing our red lines. This morning on cspan2, the Senate HomelandSecurity Committee examine Social Security disability fraud. At 9 50 a. M. We are live outside u. S. Supreme court as the justices prepared to hear a case challenging limits on individual campaign contributions. Then live at 10 a. M. Eastern the u. S. Senate returned for general speeches on the Government Shutdown and votes on judicial nominations. Today a look at humanitarian situation in syria. Senator bob casey of pennsylvania who cosponsored legislation to provide humanitarian assistance to the Syrian People speaks at an event hosted by the National Press club. Cli starting at 10 a. M. Eastern on cspan3. The heads of African Affairs for the state and defense departments testified today on capitol hill about the situation in somalia. Its live starting at 3 p. M. Eastern on cspan3. You are watching cspan2 with politics and public affairs. Weekly feature live coverage of the u. S. Senate. On weeknights watch key Public Policy events. And every week in the latest nonfiction authors and books on the booktv. You can see past programs and get our schedules at our website and you can join in the conversation on social media sites. Monday, attorney eric conn refused to testify about his role in fraudulent Social Security benefits claimed. It was called for the settlement Security Committee examine Social Security fraud. This part of veering was an hour and 10 minutes. Gentlemen, thank you for joining us this afternoon. I were briefly introduce the panel of three witnesses, and will begin with dr. David her. Thank you. Doctor her, a doctor from west union ohio. Next we have dr. Bradley adkins, psychologists from pikesville kentucky, and finally srinivas ammisetty, a pulmonary disease specialist who comes to us today from stanfill kentucky, is that correct . Thats correct. Thank you. As you may know, our Standard Practice in investigative hearings is to ask eyewitnesses to be sworn in. To this time ill ask each of you would you please stand and raise your right hand . [witnesses were sworn in] please be seated. Dr. Herr, do you have any opening remarks . No, sir. , i do not. Dr. Herr, do you have any corrections to the statement of facts laid out in dr. Coburns opening statement, or to the facts included in the staff report released by the committee today . Mr. Carper, upon recommendation of counsel, i respectfully decline to answer based upon my fifth amendment rights. All right. Is it your intention to assert her fifth amendment right to any questions that might be directed to you by the committee today . Yes, sir. It is. Given the fact that you intend to assert a fifth amendment right against selfincrimination to all questions asked of you today by this committee, you are excused. Yes, sir. Thank you. Dr. Bradley, you are recognized for your statement. Welcome. Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, my statement will be relatively short. Im here today to tell the truth. I have nothing to hide. If the ladies and gentlemen, on the committee have read my testimony, i do understand that it seems like the biggest question regarding my performance or my relationship with mr. Eric conn was the rfcs in question. When asked i would be more than happy to eliminate or talk about that, but the biggest thing you asked if i had any reaction to anything that had been said, particularly by mr. Coburn, i would take exception to being painted with a broad brush, as being someone who was recruited by mr. Eric conn. The fact of the matter is i have no story, no checkered past professional. There have been no sanctions against me, nothing of that kind. And also i was not recruited by mr. Conn. I actually, several years before the rfc incident in question came about, i went to mr. Conn. At the time i was a young in my practice. I was trying to build a practice it at the time i actually went to mr. Conn, and additional other attorneys in the area and became a vendor for the state of Kentucky Department of disability determinations. So the fact of the matter is that i was not recruited. I was trying to build a practice and looking for potential referral basis. Thank you. Thank you. You may continue after some of the things you would like to say. Im, we will hear from dr. Ammisetty and then ask questions of both of you, but you are welcome to continue. No, sir. I believe thats all i have to say at this time. Thank you to. Dr. Ammisetty. Senators, good afternoon. I came from india, and i trained in chicago, and then i moved to a rural area in kentucky. [inaudible] im the director for a couple of hospitals. I never had any license issues on my practice. I never had any medical legal problems. I never had any legal, personal legal problems. My practice isnt on this practice, and im happy with my wife. Shes also a clinician. And the place i came from in south india almost 250. It was farming land, three generations of my family worked on farms. [inaudible] three generations of hard work, finally we became professionals what did you raised on those farms . In south india spent no. What did you raise . What did you grow . [inaudible]. This is our land, so we moved to america. I moved to america and some of my family members also move your almost 30 members of my close family are physicians successfully practicing here. In my homes we have two girls who are medical students in the u. S. A. One girl as a fulbright scholar marshall nominee can and my son is the only one in the pike county [inaudible] [inaudible] i dont have any problem. Im happy to answer any questions you have. And happy to answer. I dont have any problems. Unhappy practice and build up my practice and i am part of the community. I never fail to pay pending bills, Collection Agency all my life, practice. Usually occupations but im a particular part of the community. Around 2002, mr. Eric khan was my patient. During that time he offered me that if you come to my office i can do every business, dont need to practice at all. But i was building my practice and so i refused. And then around 2010, 2010 december, he said he will not be physician, other physician was so sick. So he asked me to do a comprehensive exam for the patients. [inaudible] i accepted. So initially comprehensive and i said its a good thing to come to my office so i can have a look. I can have better understanding. So he started sending patients to my office. And i was syncopations. So december 2010. And then around may i was so busy, i mean hes being more demand, writing letters that i need more frequent response and more deadlines, or something. I already have a busy practice. Good practice. Even though im boardcertified very few doctors in the country rarely boardcertified. If im looking for money i can start same practice because kentucky is [inaudible] i can get [inaudible] i can see 40, 50 patients a day. Thats a common practice in medication in pike come in kentucky. But i never practice in medication pain practice in my life. [inaudible] so around that time he was more demanding. Slowly i said im winging off. Im worried because [inaudible] so i was doing slowly and then at one time he asked me [inaudible] for the last two months in the meantime, i sublet. Ms. Slone talked about that. So the rumors came up and i didnt know, even though two months ago next door he was rated by the agents, because that is, i just go and see the patients coming to the office, see the patients and go and spend my time with my kids, my wife. Thats my life. So finally my girls brought me, this is going on with eric conn. And then i reviewed information and then i stopped my practice with them completely. Thats not good for me. Thank you. Thank you for that testimony. Dr. Coburn has offered simultaneous with his Business Committee meeting and the markup of a nomination of the present forget the position at the office of management and budget. We will do both of those at the same time to dr. Coburn will stay. Is a number of questions to ask both of you and i will be back to join you very shortly. Thank you. Dr. Coburn, thanks. Maybe i can get these finished before you get back. Well, thank you both for being here. I appreciate you coming. Some very concerning things if you listen to our first panel. Dr. Ammisetty, ive got a list of questions ill go through with you, but my biggest, have you ever seen the ama guide evaluation for physical disability . T