Transcripts For CSPAN2 Paul Hawken On Project Drawdown 20170

CSPAN2 Paul Hawken On Project Drawdown July 8, 2017

How is everyone doing . Are you excited . This is amazing. Right . Im sure everybody here has read all of this books, i hope. Correct . So, im professional troublemaker for those that dont know me, and people that ive worked with know thats certainly true. And as a great example i said i should be introducing you and now im introducing paul. That was not planned but the truth is its a great honor and real pleasure to do. So ive known paul for quite some time, and he knows this but i like to try tome barras him. He doesnt embarrass easily enough, found, but paul is truly one of my heroes in life and has done more to influence my thinking than just about anyone on the planet, and he knows some of the people ive worked with as well. So, paul, you have just been an amazing part of my life, and thank you for everything that you have done for all of us in the green building, the environmental world. So thank you, paul. I had an opportunity when the ecology of congress came out to have some time back then with paul and, as i mentioned, really influenced my thinking from that moment forward. Theres a lot of people that can say the same. Im sure many of you here have had that same response when you have read his words, his clarity, his ability to look at the world very differently and present it back and reflect back, ideas in a way that make you think and make you challenge assumptions, which is what we need. Im just so excited about pauls new book. Not just because on page 188 im mex, chit really cool. But go back and look there page 188. But really this is the right book at the right time, and it is one of those books that you shouldnt just read. You should buy multiple copies. Im not get anything royalties, just to be clear. But you should be giving this to everybody that you can and we need more and more emphasis on fox these days, not ultimate fox but real facts, more data. We need more hope, right, and we need more solutions to problems, not just problems. And paul and this huge team of people that have contributed have brought this amazing piece of work to bear. So, with that i would like to public paul to the stage. Please give him a huge round of applause. [applause] thank you, jason. Thank you for coming out. Its a Beautiful Day and i understand its gonetomorrow but anyway, what its like to live here. And i spoke here before and i just love to speak in places where people have spoken. Its like praying in a place that people have prayed, or meditating where people have meditated. Theres something in the build next wood, the fabric of the place that is different than something new and different. The first point in time when green house gasses peak and go down on a yeartoyear basis. Thats at the definition. How to draw down started. It started in 2001 when i read the rpcc summary, third assess; assessment, and like the ones that precede i it, it was more pessimistic as the falled they get more pessimistic. The reason isnt that things hey changed. Its theres less suppression over the data because there are cob census reports buzz no such thing as scientific consensus. Science is evidentiary, not consent sense. The consent us in the saudi arains and the chinese and are russians repressing the i read it and i priced it, i look at it, we have a big problem. I thought i was odd indicated in climbed change when i was a standford research in the 7s. Not rick to understand. And not difficult to understand. Later in that year, i want show you a slide. Theres dat presented for the solution, and everybody was very excited about it. And this is what captured my attention at that time, at the first slide i want to show you before that is really where we are, and where we are is hat straight line, and so often times you hear language around Climate Change, about mitigation, about reduction, about stabilization, about net zero. You hear this language. Well, that dotted line, no human being of any shaped, matter or form, even in a primate form, has existed on the earth when the levels of co2 were above that dotted line. So, anybody who says they know whats going to happen before the dotted line is guessing and may be an accurate guess or good signs but its total speculation. We dont know. So, in 2001, even more so now, wheel people talk this is 2001 easily, just a little bit higher nowin 2017. The point being is that we are so far beyond anything that this species has ever encounters or lived within. And that peak to the left, the first peak to the left right there, thats the period that was 125,000 years ago. Ptm was 285. In ceremonies of co2. At that time the crocodile, in the delta, sea level was 20 feet to 30 feet higher in the ocean. Crocodilers and alligators in alaska and lions and giraffes in germany. A very different climate regime, and now that as 285. Were at 402. So, at that time, and especially now its really important to name the goal. You dont name the goal, youre not going to probably hit it. If you dent in the goal, dont understand the goal, the goal is drawdown. So when you use word like men wooeds used like mitigation reduction and slowing done, its like thelma and lewis in she motion. If you going over a cliff and slow down, youre going over the cliff more slowly. If youre going down the wrong road and you slow down, youre still on the wrong road. The language how we address the problem is very whats the word weakkneed in not really helpful. Somebody said to me, well, john, what an ambitious goal. Said, no, im not ambitious. You guys have really youre unambitious. You dont know its like this is not ambitious. This is about preserving civilization. This is about creating the conditions in which music, art, society, culture, knowledge, birds and blossoms, this is for us, this is this perfect period of climatic stability. Theres no stability on that line anywhere. No such thing. So what i saw, there was this the car been Mitigation Initiative from princeton in 2001, the famous global wedges. Egg it wedges would stabilize emissions by 2050. Stabilize. In other words, peak. I looked at them and these are the 15 slugs solutions that complices the eight wedges. Look at them like this. All those are great. Those solutions that only can be done by large corporations. I mean, large conservative corporations, like energy and utility and car companies. All of those. And at that time those solutions were deeply underwater financially. If the even more conservative boards of directors of the corporations said, great, let do it, they would be sued for fiduciary irresponsibility and the corporations would have lost their balance. So, in other words, huh . Thats why i started to get concerned. This is solutions . I dont get it. I dont get it. Furmer more, what can you do . Not us, you. Put us down the road. Thats it. What can cities do . Towns, villages, communities, neighborhoods, small businesses, foreigners. Grasslands, forest lands, theyre not there. The people werent there. This is things, all about things. And so i went around at that time and talks to friends at nidc and sierra club, said we should make a list, figure out what can we do . We dont know what we can do. Oh, no, no, im just like you. What can i do . What can we do . Think of how to solve this. And said, yeah, its a great idea. Carbon impact and what would happen in 30 years. Its impossible. Maybe its not. Who knew. And what were the costs . And is it a great idea . We dont have the expertise. So i dont, either, and so i kept asking others to too it, and no one did and it i forgot about it and i forgot about it until 201 when 2011 when an article came out in, and Rolling Stone and the New York Times and i had friends say, quote, its game over. Its game over. I tried, i worked hard, futile. And my response, im going okay, move to the style its like, as if that was the solution, and i thought, well, maybe its the other way around. Maybe its game on. And its that level of, frankly in this case, terror. If you google the top Ten Solutions to goal warming Global Warming or climate chiang, these are the top five dont forget to put that power strip in your entertainment center. Its like, the problem is that solutions that are proffererred are proverbs. They like, love your mother. Good idea, and dont forget the chip, and change the light bulbs and the communication around Climate Change and Global Warming, this what you can do. Okay. And its just that all was on your shoulders. I mean, the implication or if you didnt do it, then you feel guilty and you feel bad about yourself, but these are so cute. Forego fossil fuels. I tried for 24 hours. Try it. Cant eat food that was shipped in. You cant i mean, think about it. And its very difficult to do. Move closer to work. And like you can afford that. Im moving to downtown seattle. Im rich. So, this is the book. Drawdown the most comprehensive plan ever. I like that. To reverse Global Warming. Let me explain the first part of the title. The reason we can sea the most comprehensive plan proposed is that no one has ever proposed a plan. We had the high ground and we still have it. We can say the press brilliant, literate, nuanced, artistic. And be true. Because nothing to compare it with, which is sort of a astonishing when you think about it. Get back to that. And so thats the book, and this is what it looks like conceptually. And it shows that point, that Inflection Point is drawdown and thats the goal. We want to go the other way. And what is affecting our perception around this is how we get the news, and how we get the news usually in headlines, usually with a sense of threat or doom or gloom, not may not be true in this room but certainly in the greater mass of people in the United States and the world, get their news this way. And this is i love this one because as you can see, over here, you have click bait. White masses kept a mummified in sheeting and heres the bridge being taken over by a tsunami and theyre there as if they were on the level of importance, some heres where mark smith, a guy in congress who always says Climate Change is a conspiracy. This is a good un, too, which is severe consequences and the real reason that so many women have to spend so much time getting ready. So when you present information the science is actually good on the headline. Theyre accurate, and 20 things you never knew you could do with cocacola. Theyre doing the right thing at cocacola. And this one, the bottom says, the effects will be felt in 10,000 years, which is thats a gameover headline if i ever saw one and thats oregon state, very good paper, and the only thing i can say about the paper is obviously not a farmer or gardener, so drawdown. Who are we . Were not me. We had no money. I went to a foundation and we want to do this thing, they said show us i kind of need the money now. Anyway, so, i borrowed money from the Retirement Plan and give money that had been given to me to write a book and we started but we had no money to hire a really good staff, and a big staff, so we put out the call around the world to academics and students for Research Fellows and we were overwhelmed with the most amazing resumes, people im a white house fellow and a rhodes scholar. Better resumes at 26 than i have now and see astonishing people all over the world, and this is who they are, and not all of them but thats a lot of them, almost half of them, 40 , half have ph. Ds, advanced degrees can from 22 countries, Six Continents and this is drawdown. This is who did the research, and chris wright right there. Hes waving in the back. You can stand up. [applause] and i thought if were going to do this, it has to be coalition. Has to be a collaboration, has to be us talking to us. We talking to we, not a whitehaired male saying ive got a plan. Weve got one in the white house. Thats the worst thing you want is a white male with a plan. Just not going cut it. So we needed men and women with an idea and with a heart and compassion and great Scientific Minds and also got 128 advisers, these are some of them. Along with the 128 advisers we have 40 out expert signs science reviewer and we were going for map, measure, model, the top 100 solutions to reverse Global Warming. Our selfimposed mandate, we started gathering them all and going through them, winnowing them, checking, doing the math, and one by one we accumulated this list thats in the book, and some of them dropped out when we got deeper into them, and we had to add some, and came down to 80 we model and those that were coming attractions bus theres not sufficient data in terms of carbon or the emergency impact. We modeled the car been impact and the financial, what is the coast, the net operating savingses, the lifetime savings, et cetera. So we did both. And on the carbon we only used peer, reviewed science. Thats the only input. Not anecdotal science, not internet science. We used real science, and so we also did it in such a way that we always chose the more conservative numbers. And the criticism we got for what youre going to see from our advisers and our outside scientific experts was, youre too conservative. Its too low, its better, cheaper, more impact, and exactly the criticism we wanted. That would was on purpose elm went people to say its better than that. Not that you egged the pudding or fluffed it up. So we just do math. Thats what we do. And the math has been done and whats going to happen if we dont act but has not been done, the Top Solutions to Global Warming. Anthropologist has to figure out why we didnt do that. Dont know. I have no explanation, dont ask me in the q a. I dont know. I spent 16 well, up to now 16 years, but asking people and there was well good, idea. Yeah, okay. And so whatyou see here the first one is theyre ranked by 2050 and that rank is car bob impact. Only two thing toes you can do about be atmosphere with respect to Global Warming, stop putting Greenhouse Gas up there, which or sequestration, and bring it back home where it came from. So is a measurement in 2050. This is a number of giga tons, which is a billion tons, 016. 6 billion tons of co2 that is reduced, avoided or sequestered, depending on the solution. This is the net cost. In the net cost is the cost compared to what you would do if you werent going to do this. It would be combined gas, coal plant, depending on which country, and would this cost more or less. In this case it actually cost less. The last figure is over the lifetime from 2050 how much money it would cost . Make money or lose money . The case you save 1. 02 trillion, and so would this good wizzing through this. This is improved rice production, rice is a big source of methane and if you change the production methodology, costs nothing. Take the water off the paddyin the middle and let it become arrow pick again. You can space your plants farther apart, actually cost less, produce more. Reduces methane production. Theres zero cost for this solution but saves a lot of money. This is not photoshipped. This is in norfolk and its a try athlete going by the three mega watt wind temperature bans, and ill get back to wind. Coastal wet lands. This is nuclear, we got criticized by green peace, how could you include nuclear in that . And its a good question. Its a fair question. We put it in bus our mandate was to map, measure, and model the 100 Top Solutions to Global Warming. That doesnt mean were advocates of them. Doesnt mean theres not solutions in here that have spillover effects. Doesnt mean theres not solutions that we call regressed solutions. Most of them are not redressed. If theres no climb science. So many benefits in term offed peace and security and health and wellbeing and jobs, but some of them are the other way around, and this is certainly one of them. But the reason is because we have to maintain or objectivity. If we start saying, oh, i dont like the solution, leave it out, or this one is a cool one and ill leave and it my friend are doing it, the whole book and all the work would be completely suspect and thrown out. Think its the most ridiculous people ever invented to boil water. Thats all it does is boil water. This is a roof top solar what we tried to do with the imagery is to try to open up the get rid of the cliches. Its not a drone shot of atlanta, the suburbs with solar panels and shingled roofs. Its how inspiring is that . And here is an woman with her two daughters living on a try island which will sink if she doesnt replace the straw every three months and she was using kerosene every night on a straw island. Now she has a solar panel no wonder she is grinning. Its safe for her daughters to read and learn at night. So we wanted to make sure we could look at these solutions in a broader canvas and not just as inanimate objects that are sold and have renewable as an energy. This is the number ten solution. This is one of my favorites called educating girls and this is number six,way up there. You know the drill. Im sure you do. From girls rising here, and the girl effect and so much work has been done in this area, which is what happens if a girl isnt taken out of school in six sixth agreed and married off by her culture or family and she gets to choose to be a woman on her own terms instead of being proposed upon and he rate of reproduction goes from five average and higher in certain countries, and if she is allowed to go to tenth, 1st, 12th 12th grade, she then is a very different person, and the average reproduction age is below replacement rate, and she because of her education, earns more, puts more resources into her children, her sons and daughters do the same thing as she did in terms of their Family Planning, and the impact is significant. I want to get back too this because its really important. The great bear and this is for protection. Doesnt rank high because theyre there already. So not making too many primary forests but you see on the bottom, the amount of carbon co2 protected, just put in pure cash been equivalent, it would be tons, 196 billion dons of co2 so very, very important. This is a rain Forest Protection and restoration, the number five solution. This is regenerative agriculture. Again, very important, and this is managed grazing, or holistic Resource Management or rotational grazing. A lot of words for it. This is one i want to say this in terms one thing you see on the internet i

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