they're nude. >> i'll shred that and tell that guy he's stupid. >> and i was at the conference center. >> i want to you meet someone. >> already having fun. >> fancy, huh? i'll tell you what happened behind closed doors. also at rebel headquarters, rodney king, josh singleton. good night. go time. ♪ >> i don't know if you know this, but the obama administration kind of got osama bin laden. and they're not shy about telling people. this is the vice president. >> osama bin laden is dead, and general motors is alive. >> well, that's a pretty good slogan, and of course the republicans feel hurt. oh, no, don't tell us the truth. here is ed gillispie. >> this is one of the reasons why president obama has become one of the most divisive presidents in history. it was an unifying event for all americans. something that governor romney congratulated him for completing the mission in terms of killing osama bin laden, and he has turned it into a divisive, partisan, political attack. >> what a joker, ed gillispie is. he makes jokes for a living. are you kidding me? you worked in the bush administration. you invented divisive, and on this issue, oh my god if john kerry gets elected we're going to die. now you're telling me it's not right to run on national security? the only difference is you sucked at it, didn't get bin laden, and president obama did get bin laden. may 2nd it will be the anniversary of an event that george bush never got. >> i hardly think you'll see excessive celebration taking place here. the american people rightly remember what we as a country accomplished in bring to justice somebody who killed over3,000 of our citizens. >> now, you know me, i keep it real. is he bragging? of course! does he get to brag? yes! he's the one who killed bin laden. those incompetent guys could not do it for years. mitt romney will say, come on, anybody could have done it. >> would you have gone after bin laden? >> of course. >> you would have given the order, governor? >> of course. >> is it the position-- [chuckling] jimmy carter did give an order to get hostages. what is the funny part of that? it just went badly. and mitt romney you're the one who agreed with agreed with it. and get a load of this quote from mitt romney. it's not worth moving heaven and earth and spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person. referring to bin laden. now all of a sudden, oh, yes me, too, me, i would have totally gotten bin laden. only i wouldn't have spent any money and i wouldn't have tried at all. if there is one person who wouldn't have tried to get mitt get bin laden was mitt romney. >> as far as my personal role and what other folks would do, um, i just recommend that everybody take a look at people's previous statements in terms of whether they thought it was appropriate to go in pakistan and take out bin laden. i assume that people meant what they said when they said it. that's been at least my practice. i said i'd go after bin laden if we had a clear shot at him and i did. if there are others who have said one thing and now suggest they would do something else, then i'd go ahead and let them explain it. >> i love that smile on his face. it's like, yeah, i don't know, man. i said i would get bin laden and he's in the bottom of the ocean. and romney, it was a disastrous quote for romney. it's not just romney but the entire republican party. that's why i'm amused when ed gillispie comes out who used to work for bush. do you remember what george bush said about getting bin laden? do you remember what george bush said about getting bin laden? okay, there is such a clip but we'll get to it in a second. you know what he said? we have it, i was just about to do it myself. >> al-qaida is to terror what mafia is to crime. this group and their leader, a person named bin laden is linked-- >> there is an old poster out west that said "wanted: dead or alive." >> he's a person who has now been marginalized. i just don't spend that much time on him to be honest with you. i don't know where he is. i repeat what i said. i'm truly not that concerned about him. >> the republicans have a funny way of saying they would have gotten bin laden when their president, i'm not that concerned about him. by the way, the proof is in the pudding, eight years, never got him. losers, failure. with that clear this is how the politics plays out. who do we bring in when we want to know about the politics? ♪ oh, right, we bring in the epic politics man. michael shure ariana huffington said she was disturbed with the way they were hyping up this bin laden with a big ad out and everything. what is your take on it? >> i'm totally surprised about any shock. especially from you, you and ariana. this is what you've been talking about. democrats, come out and say what you've done. fight, shove stuff down their throats. that's what they're doing. they got osama bin laden. that was job number one for anybody running for president in the last ten years. they did it, and they have a right to talk about it. >> no, i think you're right. and look, they've been doing it a lot. they had bill clinton talk about how they got him. there is a piece on bin laden. let's show you that. >> mm-hmm, there you are. here i am, sitting right there. >> that is an intense look on your face, and everyone is, um intently watching that screen. >> if i'm not mistaken, this picture was taken right at the helicopter was having some problems. but you may not remember. that's what it feels like because i remember hilary putting her mouth over her mouth at that point. there is silence at this point inside the room. >> now that obviously was not the ad. the ad was bragging how they got bin laden, but i'm glad we played that. michael, look, i'm with you. make your case. make it strong, and he is. we'll talk about this later in the show. he's going to make a tough campaigner. but i think that's where it crosses the line a little bit. this was an important moment in the nation etc. having brian williams. maybe what it is that i'm more disturbed with brian williams doing it rather than president obama. it is one giant ad. >> it is an ad, but by the same token it's something that everybody wants to see. it's cool to want to know what is going on in there. this is not jackie kennedy walking through the white house at christmas. this is what is behind this picture. brian williams got the president to talk about what happened that night. that's pretty cool stuff. >> yeah, i hear you. it just feels too cozy for me. >> cozy? the press is all cozy with the president. >> they shouldn't be. >> but any president. but president obama is the president now. the press goes on. you always want white house access. and then the people complain that you're not giving access. the president is giving full access to something in a was pretty incredible. >> look, to me there is something disturbing about bringing somebody into the white house to brag about that. look, don't get me wrong though. i agree with you on the overall point. they should use it in ads. they should kick the republicans republicans' ass on it. there is one thing i'm encouraged by is what you're saying, they're hammering him on it. that i like. the role of the press, the government, we're going to talk about that later in the show as we talk about the white house correspondence. when we come back, 60 minutes got an interesting interview with jose rod guess rodriguez. the guy who authorized torture. he had it coming in a way that no one else in the media has done. >> sleep depravation dietary manipulation. this is orwelian stuff. the united states does not do that. >> well, we do. jennifer granholm is politically direct on current tv. >>the dominoes are starting to fall. 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listen to what did he to khalid sheikh mohammed. >> this is an individual who did not give a rat's ass for pouring hot water on his face. >> he didn't believe for one minute that you were going to kill him. >> khalid sheikh mohammed would count his fingers in secondses because he knew in all likelihood we would stop at ten. this does not sound like a person who is afraid of dying. >> i think i'm the only guy in the media who is calling in former agent stupid. he just told you the guy doesn't give a rat's ass about being water-boarded. we did it for 183 times. so why did you do it for 183. he didn't get any good information out of it. let me show you all the things they did to khalid sheikh mohammed. 183 water-boarded slammed into walls and 180 hours of sleep depravation. people who were tortured in the apartheid regime in south africa and by the kgb said this is the worse. the human body can't take this because you start to lose your mind. do i care about khalid sheikh mohammed? no. this is one of the critical guys who plan the 9/11. but we're we're not supposed to stoop to their level. >> the truth is about khalid sheikh mohammed, you really didn't break him. >> why, why you say that. >> he didn't tell but osama bin laden. he didn't tell you how to get him, find him. >> some of these people were not going to tell us everything. >> so you don't break them. >> there is a limit. there is a limit to what they will tell us. >> and apparently you reached that limit right away. according to the c.i.a. inspector general you didn't get any good information out of these guys. why did you do it 183 times if you weren't getting any information. you knew there was a limit to what you were going to get. god, this is such an embarrassment for this great great country. we're not supposed to be like tin pot dictators that torture detainees that they have. get a load of the misinformation that he puts here. it gives you a sense of whether he's totally lying or has no idea what he's talking about. watch this. >> we don't know. we don't know, for example if al-qaida, would have been able to continue on with their anthrax program or nuclear program or second wave of attacks or the sleeper agents that they had inside the united states that were working with khalid sheikh mohammed to take down the brooklyn bridge, for example. so it's easy years later to say well, no ticking time bomb nothing was stopped. >> all right, by the way, if you're worried about a ticking time bomb, the authorization for torture took months. what are you talking about nuclear attacks? that was debunked nearly a decade ago. what al-qaida nuclear attack plan? there was no such thing. you're either grossly incompetent that you're holding on to that or you're lying on purpose. he'll go on to say that he destroyed 92 tapes that had torture on them. he said i was just trying to do it so--he gave this excuse. >> there are people who feel that you did it as a cover up. >> everything that was on those tapes were authorized activities by the u.s. government. there was nothing to cover up. >> oh, nothing to cover up interesting. now you want to know the actual e-mails that jose rodriguez sent inside the c.i.a.? quote, the heat from destroying these tapes is nothing compared to what it would be if the tapes ever got into the public domain. i thought you had nothing to hide. but internally you're saying, oh my god imagine what would happen if these tapes got out what it would do to us. live to this new e-mail. if it was taken out of context it would make us look terrible. it would be devastating to us. i thought you had nothing to hide. i thought it would be devastating to you. that's because you tortured them and it was terrible. how do you justify destroying these tapes? i love how he got authorization. >> one day you said to the hell with it. i have this authority. i'll do it. >> one day i finally called in my supervisors and lawyers and said, tell me, tell me again that this legal. and tell me that i was the authority to do this. the answer i received was yes and yes, i said, well, then i am going to make this decision and do it myself. >> they were destroyed. >> yes. >> that's part of the reason why i think this guy is an idiot. you just admitted on tv that you brought in your lawyers. you're their boss and you brow beat them saying, tell me it's okay! tell me its legal! that's not a legal way to get authorization. the government did not even sign off on this, and they're the ones who started the torture in the first place. this guy should be in jail by now, not on a bookstore. >> president obama has said that what we did is torture. >> well, president obama is entitled to his opinion. >> that's what it comes down to. if you don't prosecute these guys, and you don't put them in jail, they turn around and go on national tv and said, well these just your opinion, man. but i'm, you know, free and trying to make money off my book. so apparently it wasn't illegal at all. the next time we get an opportunity, and he said at one point, we are the dark side, they're going to come back and do that torture again. it's hideous. finally, did it work? it was studied for three years. they looked through thousands of pages from the c.i.a. including this report that said, they got no valuable information out any of this torture. one official said investigators found in evidence--i love that no evidence such enhanceed interrogations played any significant role in the operations that led to the discovery and killing of osama bin laden. no evidence. no evidence. it did not work. one between twist. one c.i.a. agent against water boarding will be prosecute: if you're for it, you get to go on a book tour. if you're against it, then you will be prosecuted. this guy belongs in jail. there is no ifs ands, and butts about itbutsabout it. this guy is a war criminal. you know what punishment was in world war ii? execution. that's how strongly we felt about waterboarding. that's what our laws were. these guys did it any way. could we at least get a trial? apparently not. when we come back we're going to ask a different question, which is can't we just get along. rodney king is in the studio and i look forward to ask him questions that i've been waiting to ask for 20 years. when we come back. >> rodney king, a black motorist was violently beaten by four l.a. officers in 1991. >> it's go time. i look at her, and i just want to give her everything. yeah you -- you know, everything can cost upwards of...[ whistles ] i did not want to think about that. relax, relax, relax. look at me, look at me. three words, dad -- e-trade financial consultants. so i can just go talk to 'em? 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"abc news" has more. >> racial tension in los angeles boiled over in one of the worst riots in our nation's history began. buildings burned, store fronts were destroyed and thousands of people of all ages and races became victims. the rioting lasted for several days. when the smoked cleared 53 people were dead and 2,000 were injured. rodney king, a black motorist was violently beaten by four l.a.p.d. officers in march of 1991. king refused to stop when officers tried to pull him over for speeding. when he finally did, the officers took him to the ground with their batons. the four offices were charged and acquitted in 1992, setting off the l.a. riots. >> we have with us, and notice a thing or two of what happened last then, and it's rodney king. he has a new book "the riot." i'm curious why did you keep driving. >> i had a job i needed to be to. i knew i had been drinking, and i was on parole. but i had a job at dodge stomach as a temporary usher and at hot dog stands. that was like side jobs. but main job had called me to go to work that thursday. so i showed up for work on monday, construction. paying twice the amount i was making at two jobs. >> right. >> whatever i felt like ever i had to do to get away from that highway patrol car. >> i thought you were going to get away. >> i thought i could get away. stupid mistake. >> yeah, i hear you. it's real interesting, because like a lot of people paint you in a negative light, obviously at that time and, etc. but you were just trying to get to work. that's a fascinating part of it, too. so now the cops take you out and they start beating you up. i assume you were surprised by what they did and the severity of it. as that was happening what was going through your head? >> um, wow i just knew that it was--it was one of those situation where is you never thought it would happen to you. you always get a gentleman talk from your dad of things not to do, things to do, and how to respect law enforcement. it was just one of them things that there was nothing-- >> did you think maybe you were going to die or anything? >> oh, no, i was just seconds away from death. when i was screaming to the top of my lungs, it's a death scream, a street death scream. you just scream in the hopes that somebody will come out and hear you. that's where i was 20 years ago. >> that's interesting. after go through that, right then the riots start.