Transcripts For DW The Day - News In Review 20190118 : vimar

Transcripts For DW The Day - News In Review 20190118

Come forth if hes not conceivable that the agreement will be renegotiated. Portugal has approved a plan to ensure great to security for british citizens in portugal and alice citizens in the u. K. The ball is now in britains courts close with time. Also coming up tonight an exclusive interview with the head of Human Rights Watch kenneth roth will tell me why the human rights hopes of the entire world are nail securely partly in german hands well you know germany did just join the Un Security Council seat that they sought and we are looking to germany to play a leadership role there again because that the traditional major powers there are not doing what they should. Well to our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and to our viewers around the world welcome we begin the day planning for the day that is not supposed to ever come the day when britain leaves the European Union with no deal in hand the rights it crash of march twenty nine are in the span of just two days this week the British Parliament rejected the only bright set withdrawal plan that exists and almost voted the government and Prime Minister theresa may out of power in protest when now the wounded and weakened to resign may has until january twenty ninth to win parliamentary approval of her breaks it plan b. Well the European Union it continues to signal its willingness to help to receive may but it remains firm there will be no new negotiations no new brakes deal for the twenty seven eight you countries who are not leaving the club its now all about damage control and preparing for the worst. From berlin to lisbon the words of european officials and leaders betray growing nervousness time is running out for an orderly process it. Was months oh thats why we have to say clearly to london sights the time for petty games is now over. The ball is now in britains caught with time in the woods and thats why we can only call our british colleagues. Even press simply demonstrated your sense of black humor in recent days that its that now we are counting on your legendary pragmatism and sense of reality its. In paris Prime Minister Edouard Filipe announced a fifty million euro Investment Plan to prepare french ports and airports for the worst. Referring to tuesdays vote in the British Parliament he said. The whole ability we can regret this defeats all rejoice about it in any case whats clear is that the prospect of a no deal brick city is becoming more likely by the day. Portugals government to announced contingency plans for a no deal breaks out but Prime Minister Antonio Custer warned that that was the worst solution and said it was purging for british authorities to take the necessary steps to reach a good deal by in march twenty ninth. That is the use chief negotiator. Devoted to the clock is ticking on. This serious moment we must remain lucid. She stays though to reinforce is a risk of an exit without an agreement. I dont know do you. And that is not the option that we are working for. In the name of the e. U. And with the confidence of european leaders and the parliament i remain determined to work for an agreement to organize an orderly exit but that risk does exist. The risk is highest for britain government ministers meeting at ten downing street in london know that europe is waiting for their next move over more on this broken brags that i am joined tonight by our brussels correspondent georg bottas and from the university of edinburgh was professor paul baer fessor barrons has been advising the German Parliament on the legal implications of breaks it for the e. U. States gentlemen its good to have you on the show this evening georg i want to start with you bring us up to date on what the European Union is doing now and knowing that the break in agreed to with theresa may is a good deal. Im a friend fred brand my feeling is that the officials in brussels at least at the european institutions have decided to sit tight rather frustrated observing what london is doing and some here say rightly so they have worked hard theyve bend over backwards theyve provided compromises and theyve provided a very good divorce deal that took into respect a lot of the wishes thats theresa may has brought to brussels and renew return they got uncertainty in return theyve got the disastrous situation we have now and in return they were forced to absolve political infighting that only made matters was including yesterday they were has there been any word you know official or nonofficial regarding the u. K. Requesting a delay in breaks it beyond march twenty ninth theres been some speculation here whether that may happen and even in fact what i have heard is that the e. U. Prepares for such a scenario a couple of weeks was always clear wouldnt be a problem only to avoid an accidental brax it then in recent weeks one prepared for a couple of months but any further than that would endanger the European Parliament elections that are coming so midsummer is the deadline i could see that bracks it could be to late. Professor the situation that the u. K. And the e. U. Are in now did you discuss this very situation with german lawmakers this week when you met with them i mean what would you advise them to do. Yes that was one of the questions that turned up and this is because theyve been interested that was the European Union committee off the parliament of ten to hear him among the age of interested basically into situations one of them is a preface it with the in the broad agreement of the terms of the agreement this is this huge four hundred eighty five page document that the e. U. And the u. K. Negotiated and the other one personality of bricks and the interesting part was that under the no direct that there was one of the expert the nine experts that were questioned by the committee one of the experts said well this might be quite a good sit development for the u. K. We dont actually have anything to fear we can always rely on other rules that exist in Public International law to catch this particular situation i dont think the other experts agreed with that what we will face if it comes to you know he directs it on the economic level is excellent on is a trading relationship on w t o terms which is quite difficult for the United Kingdom because it means for instance that very many goods that are transferred into the European Union will attract very high tariffs as well so the. Goods that are particularly important for instance cost because you have to in them is a very strong current history will attract some ten percent of tariffs and many. Stuffs will attract terrorists that are roughly in the same area ok so this is yeah i was going to ask you professor you say that breaks it in any form is not just a fair brittanie i think if i can quote you everyone will be im impacted by bright city what has to be done in the European Union to protect british citizens living in working here and vice versa. Yes that is a. Very important point here the the strongly agreement which is much better than its reputation did have a entire pot dedicated to the rights of citizens or allowed them to stay in the United Kingdom. And it protected them from discrimination at work for instance at a lot for certain rights concerning Social Security and so for me it was by no means perfect he meant and i would take is you with the view but all of certainty was removed under the store agreement the problem is that we felt a need to install agreement all the rights of e. U. Citizens living in the u. K. Are really up for grabs the United Kingdom has said that they would protect these rights under certain Legal Institute that they call the settled status that means if you are in the country for five years you do gain the right to permanent residence you can accumulate the five years as well however this is then done entirely under british law which can be changed very easy that will be no under no deal that there will be no International Supervision the and those who were luzhin by the European Court of justice and that is one of the main concerns that they have and in a no deal breaks it i understand the situation for students in the u. K. It that will become precarious over night why use that. Yes indeed perhaps hopefully not overnight because the government has agreed to an all of the the United Kingdom government has agreed to allow the Current Situation to continue for a while the situation the difficulties come in. Thats a concern which is a big matter. Varies considerably from the depending on the particular nation of your kingdom that youre talking about so in scotland the. Fall and students that are below the age of twenty five in general are in a little you might end of his tuition fees of more than one thousand pounds a year so that is part of that is if the conservation if there isnt really bricks that european students would have to take the piece for International Students which are very much the. Gods and so forth that is one of the difficulties ok. Im sorry theres a little delay here professor and im sorry for interrupting you there but let me take this moment now let me ask you and get your to take a listen to what theresa may and labor leader Jeremy Corbyn what they both had to say yesterday i believe it is my duty to deliver on the british peoples instruction to leave the European Union and i intend to do so so now m. P. s have made clear what they dont want we must all work constructively together to set out what parliament does want its play on. You deal is now finished. No question of tweaks or sweetness from brussels to bring back to life the deal that she brought back all the five hundred plus pages of it is quite clearly. All right so considering how hard both of these fronts become let me let me ask both of you is a second referendum is it now more likely in georg or let you go first i think overall it has become a little more likely although i would say its still an unlikely option i see the biggest pressure here on the labor party because it depends when jeremy cotton will decide to stop playing political games and when those in the labor party that are massively in favor of such a say second referendum well it will Gain Momentum but actually me tell you this brand i think it should be called a third referendum ive brought you something that i found in my debts attic its the like im paying paper from Prime Minister british Prime Minister Harold Wilson from the one thousand nine hundred seventy five referendum on the European Community as the European Union was called back then and i just want to read you one sentence from his final conclusion it says whether we are in the market or not to come and market policies are going to affect the lives of every family in the country inside the market we can play a major part in this citing these policies outside the market we are on our own and its its amazing i read through the entire script its i would say seventy five percent of it still rings true today yeah its fascinating i saw that today on twitter but when you put it online fascinating to how something so similar to the one nine hundred seventy four can today can be interpreted so differently by politicians professor burns let me ask you a second referendum to save us all from a break sit bus do you think thats likely. I would say if you had asked me about half a year ago i would have been quite careful in my arms and i would have said it is it is not very likely at all since then things have moved considerably we have seen that the forty eight percent of the the people the test voted for remaining in the European Union have not gone away and test refused to be silenced we have seen huge demonstrations in london the last one one of the the largest demonstrations that have ever taken place in british history in the british capital of. Nairobi very hot for a second referendum for peoples vote and then partly you have seen that the political establishment is moving a little bit they have seen some movement some new movement in the name of the labor party is not committed to a peoples vote as one of the possibilities if the if the vote of no confidence we have to be rejected and we have seen in the conservative party more and more people coming forward including former ministers cabinet ministers of tourism race who are coming forward and saying this is really the only of a whole lot and they do have a point because as you say if parliament was blocked who else is going to provide a solution except the people themselves that have very good points and as someone pointed out earlier this week it just reveals the dangers of direct democracy when you use a referendum to enact legislation or brussels correspondent mottos and from the university of edinburgh law professor paul barrons to both of you thank you very much for joining us tonight are much. Well your preoccupation with is just one reason why the usual powers who stand for and defend human rights well they seem to be missing in action that is just one of the conclusions offered in Human Rights Watch is annual report which was officially presented today here in berlin. Stories like that of the alleged murder of journalists by the Saudi Arabian government may make you think that autocrats and Human Rights Violations are increasingly becoming the norm. But Human Rights Watch is actually optimistic despite both the United States and britain withdrawing from their traditional leading role in defending democracy and civil rights the advocacy groups annual report says countries like germany are quote pushing back as the u. S. And the u. K. Have retreated from the state of meaningful human rights respecting Foreign Policy germany has started to fill the gap its not enough and we want to do much more but we have seen that germany has tried to size openly and loudly the president s of turkey the president s of china and trump of course. Another good example is germanys response to saudi arabias Human Rights Violations shocked by the brutality of the killing the German Government suspended the sales of arms to the kingdom and expelled some saudi diplomats the us took no such measures to distance itself from the Saudi Arabian regime. Well after his press conference here in berlin the executive director of Human Rights Watch can it rotha he paid a visit to us at the headquarters of news right here when i spoke with him about the state of human rights in the world and why there is plenty of reason to be optimistic. It is good to see you again good to be here i noticed today at the press conference the message you have the headlight message was a positive one you said that there is this trend of countries people working against all recruits where do you see that well you know when you read the headlines you autocrats capture the headlines and say i think its all bad names but when we went back and reviewed the past year the real news for us was the resistance the autocrats were spawning this pushback that has been quite powerful and has won a large number of battles and not only an easy places but in tough places like syria yemen myanmar with respect to the rohingya and so you know in each of those cases we saw groups of governments come together and exert real pressure in defense of human rights the other place we saw people take to the streets for example in poland hungary you got a large demonstrations that in the case of poland particular actually moved the government in the case of hungary its got the government you know pulling backwards and you saw voters ousting corrupt autocrats inhalation in armenia all the popular pressure leading to a reformist Prime Minister in ethiopia but you know the it was in kind of multilateral settings like the u. N. We are we saw unusual combinations of governments coming together because you know the traditional leadership the u. S. U. K. France were there i would be going to say but libya a little bit on syria where do you see anything positive they are considering that the civil war is practically over or shows on it still in power he won the war there cannot be a victory for human rights at all well i actually think syria is the site of the human rights move to save the most lives in the last year and its because the last antigovernment enclave italy a province in the northwest worth three million civilians are living today it was facing an onslaught by syrian Russian Forces and they were going to proceed they way they always do indiscriminately bombing civilians we would have had a massacre. Bloodbath and so chancellor merkel and a number of other governments put pressure on prudent without whose forces syria could not proceed and that putin youve got to stop this you are responsible for these lives and he did he agreed to a ceasefire in september that is health to this day and Turkish Forces have now been a raid around and leave to try to form a protective

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