that's this this water metaphor that hong kong protesters have of use i don't think nowadays with the technological means that baking has you need a crackdown with tanks i'm very pessimistic though about. whether beijing is going to give the protesters more room i think they're slowly working their way through the ranks and putting pressure on them but every possible means and i'm afraid in some ways this is going to work because they're making people's lives felt so how would you answer the question that was at the end of our report just now how much violence is legitimate under such circumstances i don't think the violence has done the protest a great service you know better how to negotiate with your own government from a foreign perspective this has really undermined the narrative and it has given the big propaganda. present to beijing because they could argue