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ESPRESO July 3, 2024

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We are somewhere in the vicinity of bakhmut. We tell the main thing. Weekdays at 9 00. Congratulations, one of the main areas of work russian propaganda. This is actually the destabilization of ukraine from the inside, and now this direction is coming out for them, well, this is, i would say, even a little not the main plan, precisely in order to weaken the possibility of ukraine to the opera, the russians see, you know, such a magic wand that will allow they need to win at the front, and that is why we are now seeing an increase in internal attacks, we are seeing a more Extensive Network of these attacks and we are seeing. That in general, well, this trend is intensifying among the russians, uh, and why is this necessary, why and what exactly they do, well, it seems to me very comprehensive said such a russian propagandist raguzin, he was once the head of the Russian Space agency there, and now he gives lectures there from time to time, as a future russian diplomat in migimo, he tells how to create fakes in order to actually act. Inside the countries that russia is trying to attack. Lets see. Victory in the war is achieved primarily by discrediting the political and military leadership of the enemy, presenting them in the eyes of the population as unworthy people who happened to be at the top of power in this the country these are people who drive their population to certain death, to slaughter. This is a very important way, the second way of discrediting the military and Political Leadership of the enemy country is the accusation of corruption, when a significant amount of deepfake is used to prove that a specific person from the enemy side is just a fraud and corrupt, and therefore he cannot be trusted. This mainly applies to the most popular characters among the enemys people. The method of intimidation is used it is a demonstration of ones own strength, uncompromisingness army, own achievements and much more. Well , it is interesting how he, as a diplomat, directly says that in order to discredit someone, just use fakes, but create fakes and everything will be fine, you are such diplomats, and we here wonder why not bendzia, he constantly tells something in the un, some, you know, fantasies absolutely and lies, well. You see, they are taught this right away simply, they have not yet had time to graduate, they are already being told how to create fakes, and almost in all these directions and about what we have now , which ones methods and what topics, applies enemy, lets talk now with oksana moroz, she is the founder of the initiative, how not to become a vegetable, congratulations oksana, and congratulations, you talk a lot about yourself on youtube. Channel about all these nuances, and i really encourage our viewers to watch, because you literally look at each case separately, and its very useful and so visual, but lets talk now in general, well, first of all, what methods is russia currently using to to convey his own messages to the ukrainian domestic audience, this is exactly what ragozin said, because it is clear that the ukrainian. Audience, ukrainian citizens, well, in general, do not believe russian propagandists, those who speak on russian telegram channels, when they talk about solovyov, skabeeva or simonyan, then most likely a normal average ukrainian will understand that this is a lie, that this is about ukrainians, just aggressive propaganda, and he will not believe it, therefore. Russians must have some other tools, what are these tools, tell us . In fact, they go very such a simple, but unfortunately effective way, they monitor our Information Space very carefully and identify all the points where the attention of ukrainians, the emotion of ukrainians is sharpening, and now in the period when there are a lot of complex processes with western aid, and ukrainians are tired of the war, unfortunately. Massive missile attacks and actual corruption scandals have become more frequent , and this list can be continued for a long time , the enemy monitor. Points where this discussion is going and tries to strengthen them as much as possible, so that if there was a single precedent, such as when the campaign for discrediting the mobilization, there were specific cases of some, lets say, illegal detentions of people, this was back in the distant 22nd year, thats what russia did, it monitored and pretended at specific moments, and dispersing this information in various social networks, that such not one or two cases. 10, hundreds, thousands and so on, in fact, they apply absolutely the same approach to everyone, for example, to the same topic of corruption or to the same topic of the possibility of the impossibility of holding elections, that is, they, if there is no such position, they need it in the info field, they push people to them, well, for example, as now there is dissatisfaction with the government, we see it in sociology, they are all dissatisfaction with the government, they add that the government needs to be moved, because this government already. Will not change and they emotionally wind people up that despite everything, for example, elections must be held, so it is very difficult for people to distinguish, because it is true, you are right, if russian propagandists were saying that, everything would be much easier, it would be clearly possible was to be marked, and the ukrainians learned it markings can already be clearly distinguished, but when people like ukrainians say it, if ukrainian bloggers also say it, and even if they are allegedly called rights defenders or some lawyers, well, thats what comes from them. Their mouths sound a lot, unfortunately, more convincingly, and actually the enemy achieves his goals in the Information Space with such hands of ukrainians . Well , lets just look at a few cases, well , first of all, the case of mobilization, well, you already mentioned that, in fact, the russians began to deploy this antimobilization network in mayjune 2022, then all these bunches of channels appeared, where subpoenas are distributed, where subpoenas are served. And well , there was simply no verification, nothing, just some statements were put out, which very often were completely fake, but it was massive, again because the same person led to the channels in several places at once, you could say , that probably someone needed it, because to finance the people who do it, well, someone needs it, and it is not done for free, and if we understand that, well, what can the russians say propagandists, well. They have been saying the same thing for two years, well, lets take a fresh case and see how they talk about it, about the collapse of the front in the summer, that the ukrainians have nothing to defend themselves, but the reduction from our ministry of defense, from our soldiers, in general nothing such a thing is not foreseen, at least for now, which is what such panic articles are connected with, but in order to mobilize. Most likely, those people who are still hiding, so to speak, in big cities, because they mostly scavenged the villages of small settlements, and now, after how the Energy Infrastructure was destroyed, it is very difficult for people to stay in big cities, and they try to move, leave, and again the tetskashniks catch them and send them to the front, well, you know, this is a constant thing, they are caught, sent to the front, all of them endless videos, which are unknown with whom and how, when some ukrainian bloggers who also create these Networks Talk about it, of course they cant, well, they avoid doing so in the style of ruslan katsaba, who in the 14th year thought, that working for the russians, he its just that if he calls, well, they will give more money, apparently, he then directly said that. I am antimobilization, antimobilization movement, he was put in prison very quickly, because it is, well, essentially a criminal offense, and now they they dont say that, for example, there is such a wellknown antimobilizer, lets say, ostap stakhiv, look, he already operates with such, you know, as if explaining why a person should not join the army, but listen, the state of war has not been introduced, accordingly we do not give it to anyone they did not inform us that there is a war going on in our country. Therefore the world calls that in in ukraine, there is a conflict, many people go around and call the tcc a military committee, there are such, there are such, although the military committees in ukraine have been liquidated, and the tck is not registered anywhere, at least i do not know, the tcc are not registered, in particular there is a decision of the Supreme Court of ukraine for december 2022 year, well, they are spreading fakes directly, well, the last one is about the fact that the tsk tortured someone there, and i will also turn, for example, this guy also talks a lot about it. Igor mosiychuk, and, well, Igor Mosiychuk is permanently abroad , that is , it is very strange, yes, if so brave, why you are abroad, so he is sitting abroad and Something Like that. Constantly writes, but now he is spreading a fake that they will mobilize young people from the age of 18 and throw them somewhere, well, first of all, this is completely stupid, well, and secondly, well, yes, he actually constantly writes about it , says, and my actual question is, how do you feel about this whole network of these people, what are their main messages, precisely in the mobilization theme, and what are they wrong about . She is very different this one, she is very this network is very diverse, if we talk about who distributes these messages on a systemic basis, that is, not once and randomly, but really from day to day, and it is clear that they are actually coordinated, i would say so, because some vector is chosen or several vectors are selected and worked on. These are very different people, these are former antivaccinators who were there and actively promoted it even during covid, these are pseudolawyers, these are pseudolaw enforcement officers, these are ordinary bloggers who always published something there about children, dogs, cats, and now are already taking care of the fact that the population of ukraine has been turned into slaves there and they are not being released abroad, and to talk about the fact that it is some kind of a Single Network there, of course, is impossible, we do not have such evidence, we can combine them. Them only by this sign that they spread systematically enough, and what discredits the mobilization, and what do they spread . Everything starts from the very beginning, i. E. With the fact that they say that wars, war in our country has not been declared against russia, the state of war itself is undeclared, accordingly, all coercive actions, i. E. Including mobilization, they do not make sense, that is, they are illegal, then they move on to. The second stage, what we saw on the video that tsc they are illegal, accordingly you cannot deal with them, they do not have any actions to take and so on, and the third very important vector is that they cover all the precedents of wrongful detention very meticulously and massively, and here it must be said that the very process of discrediting and mobilization in ukraine is very complicated, because russia contributed a lot to it, and she is really there. They said that since mayjune , she actually took up the discrediting of the mobilization very intensively. The second important point is that ukraine itself did not conduct any Communication Company or explanatory company, or any other company, to counteract these hostile influences, and accordingly, everything that spread, it fell on such and such a vacuum of information, or on very pointed some points that happen to be someone somewhere or from the Public Sector or from experts. Spoke in the information field, and actually there is still a very important third vector, that is, this one the socalled antimobilization movement, it is very well coordinated among themselves, they have a lot of different chats that are still left over from the days of covid, when the same scheme was used, and there it actually works according to the principle that if someone, someone on the street detained a representative of the tsk, they write to this. Council and the closest activists from now on, they go to the place and create maximum publicity for this situation, the detention was legal, it was illegal, they start burying tetskashniks, they start going their own way methods, and by the way, they are taught methods at special courses conducted by certain people there from this movement, and this is how it gets into social networks and social networks. Also spreads, that is, they themselves create these cases of illegal detention, not always, of course, this is only their contribution to it, unfortunately, there are many facts when we really see that the employees of the tsc are, well, lets say, not very correct they behave, sometimes they behave very improperly during detention, and this is a separate pain, with which the armed forces and a number of other bodies work, well, but their task is to make it visible so that actually. There are no other cases, and this, by the way, is another pain in relation to how it is covered in the media, because in the media, as soon as such cases arise, the media focuses on it, because it is really necessary to focus on illegal things, but on the other hand, there is not enough balance for those processes that go in a different way, that people really mobilize themselves, people really come and stand in queues, so far they are are under the tsk, they are not as big as they were at the beginning of the war, but they exist, well , and so on and so on, that is why this situation is so complex and multivectored, and what is not only this antidemobilization movement, the problem is not only in him, although of course they create. This is probably the biggest contribution to the information coverage of this situation, and i would say, in fact, another goal of this movement, as paradoxical as it sounds, is not even just to reduce the number of people there, which enter uh, well, directly into the army, how much to create such an atmosphere of horror around this, that you will definitely be killed, you will be sent somewhere immediately, and this is rather the main such message. Which, as a result , creates all this chaos, moreover, i noticed that the very same people who are engaged in this antimobilization rhetoric, they very timely and very successfully play along with the russians and in this atmosphere of creating terror, well, for example, now such a Russian Company literally intimidates kharkiv, so kharkiv will be destroyed, and if, for example, in a russian studio, we understand why they say that, well, this always pleases their population and thats all, well, they have been engaged in this, directly, lets say, genocidal rhetoric for a long time, but look at this, for example, why i am a supporter of putting pressure on kharkiv, the city has a very great moral significance for ukrainians. I will not compare kharkiv and odesa, but it is very important, you do not mean military significance, i mean moral significance. The capture or destruction of kharkiv will definitely have a depressing, demoralizing, demoralizing effect on ukrainian society, and i believe that the will of this people must be broken on the knee, there is no other way out, if you have already started. Well, in parallel, this is only one fragment, and i already showed you about the same thing before this, bombing kharkiv, solovyov is there, well, they all talk about it, and in parallel, for example, the same ihor masiychuk does not broadcast on a daily basis , lets just look at a screenshot from this, where he constantly says that kharkiv is being bombed, Everyone Needs to leave there, kyiv. They were hit, it will be the drg that will work, well, that is, and its not a single one, thats it, he literally nonstop, all the time, they are alone there, they talk about it, they have to leave, someone there said that children are dying there and so on, of course they are children dying, but to say that lets evacuate kharkiv, that is not what we are talking about now, no, that is all he is talking about after all, he is constantly inciting, every day something new appears in him. The russians made some k

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