This week met to talk about the possibility of coalessing around a trump alternative and having a brokered primary. Some want to have trump banned from the party altogether. This is republican e. Obrien murray. To deliver this kind of message and double down from keeping americans out of our country if they are muslim and just out of the country when he did that on monday shows that i believe his lack of being genuine running for president. Whatever. The establishment resistance to trump will be met by a candidate. It was a good fight who has, as well, overwhelming voter support as we are now two months from an iowa caucus. Trump is still dominating in the polls. All polling. A new cbsNew York Times survey shows trump dominating republican field at 35 of the vote. Trumps showing has improved by 16 points since october. Ill be talking about the republican race with one of trumps challengers. Rand paul joins us here tonight. And theres frustration over the authorizes are certain that Tashfeen Malik was radicalized years ago, so how was she able to obtain a k1 fiance visa, and why should any citizen believe that our immigration system is effective, that this administration can assure Public Safety and our National Security . Senator rand paul blasted the white house after the white house said Donald Trumps muslim ban disqualifies him for the presidency. Among those reasons according to senator paul how you make law. His its 13. Obama appointed an attorney general who says speech against muslims is a bigger threat than terrorism. Joining us tonight republican president ial candidate senator rand paul, a member of several key committees, including Foreign Relations and homeland security. Senator, great to have you with us. Is there a basis for extremists. Is that correct . I think were crazy not to look at immigration. Even starting with 9 11 the attacks on 9 11 all 19 hijackers came here using the Legal Immigration system. They all had visas. They werent really obtained by law. A couple came here as students, but werent attending school. A couple of them came as visitors and really werent visiting us, and a couple of them were on the cia watch list and we let them in anyway. Two of them lived with an fbi informant for a year. We have to look at our Legal Immigration system and say do we want to have more scrutiny on the people that come and visit us . The most recent example in san bernadi bernardi bernardino. There should have been more scrutiny of the womans visa that was in. She wasnt even honest on her visa application, and no one vut nized it. The fact of the matter is the interview that is supposed to be so rigorous were not conducted as far as we know right now. There is clearly a statement from the state department that this is a rigorous process. The fiance k1 visa. Were talking about a small number. This isnt just the first time. Two iraqi refugees came to my hometown, bowling green, kentucky, and they came in with the refugee program. They tried to buy stinger missiles, but one of their fingerprints was in our data because because it was on a bomb fragment from iraq. They say we have great scrutiny for the refugees. Well, guess what, two of them that came to my town werent scrutinized. We do have to have rules about who comes into this country, and we are fools 23 we do not enforce stricter rules. Even for europe already people that get a background check. Once youve had it, if you are a businessman or woman who comes here frequently, by all means, keep coming. Go through the frequent flyer program, the local entry so we can background check people so we dont have random people. I mean, all of the attackers in paris were french citizens. Theres nothing stopping those people from getting on a plane right now. We have to do something about this if we care at all anything about terrorism. First thing we have to do is defend our border. We talk about fixing the immigration system, and what i said is why dont we stop bringing people from countries and force people to fix it now, rather than promising to us were getting around to fixing it. Its just going to be a few more years and were going to fix it. Lets just stop immigration until its fixed now. How big is the problem . There are 11 Million People in the country illegally. 40 of them were said to haveover stayed their visas, but we dont seem to care. We dont know who they are or where they are. We dont enforce our rules at all. Theres 150,000 students here from the middle east. Many are probably good people who like america, but if 40 of them are overstaying their visas and we dont know where they are, thats a huge mistake. Border patrol double the is and tripled from a decade ago. Theres a surge of Illegal Immigrants on our border, particularly in the state of texas. This administration has told the American People go to hell, were going to do this my way. It doesnt matter what your Silly Congress and your silly senate have done in terms of enacting law. This is going to be done my way. That order is staying wide open. The problem with Border Security is not money, its not a lack of motivation. Its a lack of will power. Weve not had a republican president or democratic president who had the will power or the inclination to defend the border. It is illegal to come across illegally. We dont have anything about it other than to say were not going to do anything about it. I think we need to enforce our laws. That takes a president with will power to enforce the law. Great to have you with us. Congratulations are. Being in the top five in the New York Times poll. Its good to talk with you. Thanks, lou. Democrats going after guns in connecticut. 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Their ability to have a safe haven from which to gather resources, people, and plan and plot increases the risk of their ability to mount a sophisticated attack against the homeland. He is also talking about encryption and the use of secure messaging becomes common practice for terrorists. We see that encryption is getting in the way of our ability in order to get effective information. A lot of people protect their devices so judges orders cannot be complied with for reasons i understand. Im not questioning their motivation. The question we have to ask is should they change their Business Model . Weve got a lot of questions tonight for some of the leading experts on radical islamist terrorism. Joining us is dr. Walid phares, fox news middle eastern terrorism analyst, author of the book future jihad, terror strategies against america and foundation for defensive democracys john hannah. Thank you both for being here. Its not possible to detect, and there are communications to be heard by our authorities. They are now where they are using an entire tech swrrgs. Individuals that are young, savvy, educated from the region, that the region that is on the ground, and jihadists from france and canada. Whats happening now, whats boiling, is a new generation of tech, and even more worrisome to myself. Isis now is indoctrinating kids between the age of 10 and 13. In a short four to five wreerz. Whatever isiss numbers are now, theyre going to triple it. Worse many of those one day will be able to apply for visas and join others that have already been infiltrating even the mi grant or other processes. What i see right now happening is extremely dangerous. As you talk about it includes israel. It includes lebanon. It is a broader area than we normally think of. Wills a lot of discussion, john hannah, about whether it should be isis or isil. The fact is the Islamic State calls itself the islam iblg state. We have a president that says theyre not islamic at all. We are playing extraordinary mind games and word games, but the fact is this president has not moved one iota for achieving his goal that he said to the American People 14 months ago. He would destroy the Islamic State. Is it beyond his ability . Its increasingly looking so. He has launched us into a war, and its clear. Its not his highest priority to actually complete that war. He is not willing to set aside the rest of his presidency to rout out the Islamic State out of its stronghold. The last thing i would want to do in in way is intrude upon his presidency in the interest of the American People and the nation. He has lots of things to do, lou. He has to go to Climate Change conferences before he actually addresses the nation about the threat of Islamic State terror and our homeland. One of the people that watches it is donald trump. He said its time to ban muslim immigration to this country for a period of time until we can figure out whats going on. I dont think any of the people who are screaming at the top of their lungs, whether the left, right, or media, thinks were for a moment that that is a literal interpretation of muslims, but he is calling for a pause in our immigration and refugee programs. Your response to that suggestion . My response is half of the world away. This whole debate in america has been triggered by a fear that the administration is going to bring in dozens hundreds of thousands of immigrants, mostly from syria. Whether the solution is in syria what we are debating it here. Theres an entire region in the northeastern part of syria known as close to 10,000 square kilometers. The size of lebanon. Has all the infrastructure, has water, has oil, is defended by kurdish and christian and sunni arab militia. This is where the immigrants or the mi grants or the refugees should be taken to first. Why do you want to transfer them half of the way away to canada or the United States . Why would they want to do that . Why would the administration have doubleded as a percentable of our population the number of muslims brought into this country in the past six years . Well, i can tell you that the reason they dont want to do wall eateds proposal is because they dont want to do anything about syria. This is a president who has gotten us out of away. He doesnt want to address war, and he is going to leave us a bleeding wound in the heart of the middle east that is now threatening the stability and integrity of europe, which is the pillar of our american National Security and defense policy for the last 70 years. We are watching going down this, and now we are seeing that we are at great risk of another 9 11 type event in the homeland. He doesnt want to deal with that. Some are accusing the president of seeking the islamification of the United States. Well leave that question for another time soon. I want to quickly wrap up with your judgment. Is it time to pause temporarily ban immigration and refugee programs until we can sort out what were doing in this country and understand what we are doing as a nation to assure the safety of the American People . Walid . Well, look, there are two ways to handle this. Either the big way, not the big way to shut down immigration. That decision congress should consider if they want to do so. The president of the United States under 8 u. S. Code 1182 by proclamation can suspend immigration, refugee programs himself. He doesnt require congress to suspend those programs. To change them under the law, he does require congress. That is a decision. That is another way we should have done before. Create an agency to vet. Not another agency. Walid, no. Another agency thats not doing much. Its one that we need right now. Jack hanna, very quickly. Sfroo we have to actually look at the immigration visa program, the visa waiver program. Would you support would you support a temporary halt until we reorganize ourselves . Im not smart enough. I doubt i would support a fullfledged halt on all immigration into the United States. Its just so controversial, so contrary to our ethos. Im going to try to ask here, if it saved american lives . Forget p. R. There is a cost to everything, lee. You really have to weigh out the pros and cons. Thats tough stuff. There is a cost. If its american lives, the cost is too damn high. Thank you for being here. Appreciate it. A few thoughts on thoughts now on president obama, donald trump, and our National Security. The Islamic State and its sympathizers have killed more than 500 people in six countries since october, and yet, our president refuses to destroy the Islamic State, as he promised he would more than a year ago. He still demands that americans give up our guns as terrorists kill our citizens. It doesnt make a lick of sense, and it took the president 13 minutes sunday night to, again, not name the minimum were fighting. Radical islamists, mr. Obama. Radical islamists. He added that we cannot allow this fight to be defined as a war between america and islam because thats what isil wants and they dont speak for islam. What does that even mean . Who does speak for islam . A 2011 pew survey found 48 of Muslim Americans said their leaders havent done enough to speak out against radical islamists. I dont think thats changed in four years. The same survey found 21 said there is neither a good deal or a fair amount of support for extremism in their community. We dont know the number of muslims in other country. Its with somewhere between 3 million, 7 million. The president said 7 million when he gave a speech in cairo in 2009. We dont know the number of Illegal Immigrants in this country or the number of immigrants who have overstayed their visas. In europe we are watching as hundreds there, hundreds of thousands of Illegal Immigrants and refugees, demonstrate daily declaring that at the dont care one whip about europes borders and its laws or its culture. A senior German Police official said some of those reaching europe are Islamic State terrorists. The Islamic State itself said they are sending their terrorists among those syrian refugees. Here at home the president is making leer to governors they dont have a say in who is resettled in their states. The head of the House Homeland Security committee warning governors have a right to be concerned. I can reveal today to the United States government has information to indicate that individuals tied to the terrorist groups in syria already attempted to gain access to our country through the u. S. Refugee program. Why is the president not telling us about that. Why is he not the one calling for action . Why is all of this an issue of Political Correctness and not one of National Security and the nations survival . Why does our president and the west think they have been somehow given permission to lecture us as if we were somehow cowardly fools and that is its somehow immorale to defend ourselves against radical islamist terrorists . In our own defense against Political Correctness, its time for the left and require us to open our borders and accept whatever the consequences, no matter how they strike. Didnt the president acknowledge just sunday night we are in a war against the Islamic State . Maybe that is a flip sometimes. The president didnt make it clear how many casualties we should accept, how much of america should we surrender before he fulfills his promise to destroy our enemies. We do still tend to put up a struggle, mr. President . Dont we . Our quotation of the evening. 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