Party. Forker gop candidate dr. Former gop candidate dr. Ben carson will join us. Does it mean hes perfect . No. He has main detects, just like the major defects, just like the rest of us. But hes willing to listen to people. There is a humility issue that could use some polishing. Ves ine government anymore. Everybody believes that we are weak on the world stage, we are not doing things that make sense economically, and hes probably the person who most likely to do that. Are there better people . Probably. Charles dr. Ben carson, he says donald trump is the best man for the job as commanderinchief. In the meantime, senator ted cruz, his ground game and infrastructure posing a serious threat. Not just in wisconsin and others. But in elects that we thought were done and over with. Joining me now the man himself, dr. Ben carson. Welcome to the show. You know, this is what everyone loves about you. You are a breath of fresh air. But sometime has anyone in the trump camp said you are a little bit too honest . When you talk about donald trump having major defects. Thats not typical endorsement speak. The fact of the matter is, im a very honest and plain spoken person. I dont think people have totally gotten used to that. But added after that, like we all are. But certain of the media will just grab the fir part of it and say carson says donald trump has defected. Thats what they do. That doesnt work on people who are well informed. But its effective for people who are superficial. Thats the reason our Founding Fathers said our freedom and system is dependent on a wellinformed and educated populace. They knew people who were superficial would be easy to manipulate. Charles dont you find it intriguing that the more tv stations and social media, perhaps the less educated a lot of folk out there voting are. They look for the head lines and listen to what people say. Think is problematic. You know, if we dont make a change in this and become more informed, i think our society is in huge trouble in the future. Charles i hate the term low information voter. Someone doesnt read what you read and believe in what you believe doesnt mean they are low information. I think thats a slight that kind of bothers me. But should the president of the United States have Something Special that the rest of us dont . Should he or she maybe just be held to a higher standard than the rest of us . Without question. As i articulated in the past, anybody running for that office need to have a lifetime of extreme accomplishment. Not just an average person. I think that should be one of the criteria, what has this person accomplished . What odd have they had to face and overcome. What have they done for the country itself that demonstrates they are not a selfish person. Those are lodge cal thing for voters to look at. If they looked at them i think they would have an easier time making a decision rather than just look at personalities and things the media thinks are important. Charles we have entered the area where charm can get you into the white house better than a resume. You did bring up humility, is that one area you would like to see donald trump get better at . Did you talk to him about that . Yes its important to be able to say, you know what . There may be other people who know more about this than i do. Im going to listen and see what they have to say. Ill take what they have to say into consideration. And he will do that. But, you know, it will be good for him to actually say it. I think that would help people. I think it would help them if he would indicate for instance who is going to be working with. And particularly what kind of people and maybe some specific names for Supreme Court nominations. I believe he will be coming out with those very soon. Charles i think everybody is waiting with bai bated breath. People have to recognize along the questions candidate are asked are thing the president actually cant do. They are not within his purview or range of powers. All of them should be free to say thats not something the president has jurisdiction over. Charles over the weekend you headed up to north dakota. Can you tell us about your experience . Being on the ground and watching machine and being part of that machine, trying to woo folks, how was that . Well, first of all, when i land in north dakota, i said hooray. It was number 50 for me. It was very cool. It was cold, but the people were incredibly warm. And very receptive. And i had an didnt to talk with the potential delegates and explain my rationale. I think we moved the needle, and its good. But the key thing for me is that we must have a process where the will of the people is respected. Whoever the people choose, thats the person party need to get behind, not the other way around. Charles did you come away from north dakota feeling that way . 18 are in the cruz camp. Are you satisfied with that outcome or do you think the system needs to be tweaked a little bit . I dont trust those numbers. I think well see what happens when we get to cleveland. I dont believe those numbers. I believe there is definitely some movement there. Charles in arizona, ted cruz is really getting a lot of delegates. There is something in this process that lns toward the power brokers. We know the Republican Party has said this in not so many word. For the most pair its a club, they are in charge of the club and they get to make the rules. I dont think the American Public realizes that when they pull those levers. At the beginning of this process everybody was talking about having an outsider and how the people are excited about an outsider. Now we have an outcider and everybody is we have scene outsider and everyone is trying to say we dont want an outsider. We have a traditional person backed by the party. The people i think are probably going to be a lot smarter than anybody thinks. And i believe they are waking up rapidly and they will make the determination. Charles congratulations on north dakota. I lived there for 2 1 2 years and they have the best people up there. In the meantime we have breaking news. A tourist helicopter crashed in tennessee and there are multiple fatality reported. Though there is no official confirmation of how many might be dead. Smoky Mountain Helicopters said five people died in the crash. The group was on a sight seeing ride east of nashville. Emergency responders are responding to the scene right now. Well bring you more information as it becomes available. Gop insider karl rove calling for a fresh face for the party. We ship everything you atcan imagine. 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There will be a tendency in the convention for people to try and say who can we agree upon and it will be hard to get the donald trump people to go for ted cruz and the ted cruz people to go for donald trump. Charles the on thing that will be harder is if someone gets this nomination not named trump or cruz, i think it will be a disaster. Charles thats karl rove, the ultimate in establishment insiders suggesting the Republican Party might need a fresh face to get the party to unite. Many thought he was talking about fall ryan. So you are not fresh face karl rove was talking about . I would like to think that my face is somewhat fresh. But its not for this conversation. Im not running for president , period, end of story. Charles bob, let me start with you. I know that it feels like this is happening in broad daylight. You are a cruz guy,eed, adrianaa trump guy. Im tag gnostic. Charles i x we know its antiestablishment year. So if anyone gets this nomination thats not named ted cruz or donald trump, it will be a disaster, no . It will be a disaster. I think where donald trump and ted cruz agree, that is the establishment is not going to control that convention. Hopefully ted cruz can get to 1237 before the convention. If he doesnt, you have to let that process play out. But if anybody comes out not named trump or cruz, i think it will be a train wreck. It feels like we keep hearing there is going to be a name, perhaps someone who wasnt in the race that emerges from this convention. Im just so angry when i hear things like that. What it does say is whats the points of having elections. Whats the points of millions of people going out to vote for their candidate whether its basketball can or donald trump. People have whether its ted cruz or donald trump. People have waited outside in the weather for hours to see their candidate. Its wrong to rob them of the nominee one of them deserves. It also nullifies the will of the voter. I agrieft will be a i agree that it will be a big revolt if the establishment pulls one of these dirty tricks. Charles they have say this is our game, our role. Thats the epiphany for the American Public. Its their clubhouse and they can make the final decision. They can make the final decision and it should be matching what the people want. If they think they are going to do something different, they are fools. I dont know of any fresher face in politics than donald trump. I know ted cruz is a fresh face right now. Karl rove fall people is the least fresh that we have in this political scene. Hes also been wrong, the establishment has been wrong. This is beyond the notion of we docket because we have the rules. There is a difference between what they can do and what they should do. People like me who are agnostic and recognize the good in both trump and cruz, people like me will have a pitch fork so they have better watch out. Charles tomorrow you dont want to miss our special coverage of the wisconsin primaries. Minute to minute. Its fantastic stuff. Tomorrow night it starts 8 00 p. M. Eastern on fox business. Some candidates are looking beyond wisconsin, as you can see, this is john kasich in new york holding a town hall meeting ahead of the states primary. I want to mention the breaking news. A tourist helicopter has crashed in tennessee. There are multiple fatalities reported. An emergency official says five are dead. It happened in east tennessee. The group was on a sightseeing ride as part of a popular activity 200 miles east of nashville. Emergency responders are on the scene. Donald trump predicted a massive recession. And he intends to eliminate the National Death debt. Here is what he said to gretta by the last night. The very rich will end up probably pay paying more but there is an incentive for them to invest in the country. When you think about success, what does it look like . Is it becoming a better professor by being a more adventurous student . Is it one day giving your daughter the opportunity she deserves . Is it finally witnessing all the artistic wonders wor . Whatever your definition of success is, helping you pursue it, is ours. Tiaa. We are losing our money and we have been for years. We have had bubbles and when they burst its not a good thing. We are going to go into a massive recession. But if im president it wont happen. It will be a mess. You cant continue to lose the kinds of billions of dollars on every single thing we do. Charles that was donald trump speaking at a rally in wisconsin highlighting the poor conditions of our economy. Lets bring in brian bee bren b. I agree with donald trump. I think the economy is a mess. We are at 2 growth. The Federal Reserve said First Quarter this we are well have 2. 8 growth. Charles that was up from 2. 6 . Are we in such a deep hole, if you erase the deficit, 19 trillion plus the next 8 years . Im an optimist. I think there is so much lowhanging fruit after 7 years of barack obama. You can do so many things. Build the keystone pipeline. Get rid of the tax code and you could do that within the first month in office and get the 4 growth. If you get that growth that debt and deficit will come down big time. Charles government inherently spend more than they take in. Even if we go to 4 and the coffers fill up we have to make sure we dont spend that. Deficits will be growing the next 8 years. 7 trillion in new debt if we dont do anything. You can cut all the Discretionary Spending in the budget and it wouldnt get you half of the way there. It cant just be growth. Its also got to be cuts. If you dont do anything about entitlements you wont cut the deficit. Charles it never seems to cop out that way. When you hear Social Security reform, older voters say no way, im not voting for this person. There are things you can do on the margin to reform it. Charles what do you think, david . I dont think donald trump is speaking to you. Im not seeing the recession. Hes speaking to a lot its a placid recovery. As far as if hes right and we are going to have a massive recession. It makes prediction number two impossible. You need a 2. 5 trillion dollar surplus each ander year of his presidency. And thats not likely to happen. Im not saying you can only get to a balanced budget by making the economy growing faster. Im saying as a precondition if we dont get to 4 growth. We ought to do something about Social Security and reining in obamacare costs and closing down corporate welfare tax cuts in the tax code. Growth denominator and get rid of wasteful government spending. Charles i agree with all of you guys. We can get 4 growth. Answer that phone, steve. Ted cruz. Attempting to snare some of Donald Trumps arizona delegates. How about the art of the deal, the political version. R next. Its a fact. Kind of like social media equals antisocial. 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So does trump need a lesson in the political art of the deal . Adriana, trump is your guy. But i have got to tell you something, ted cruz is hustling winning delegates in states he contested an got beat up pretty good. Shoutout to ted cruz because thats what candidate should be doing. Thats what donald trump should be doing. They need every possible delegate at the convention if neither one make the magic threshold. Charles you dont feel they are stealing from donald trump . They earned the delegates. If they are allocated those delegates they belong to the beneficiary. But after a first ballot i cast, it could go to the second ballot, then the ballots could be loosened up. Thats where some of the delegates can flip than thats what we are told ted cruz is doing now. Well see if donald trump is doing the same. Charles from what i read ted cruz is doing a good job flipping these delegates. The establishment doesnt like ted cruz either. So he has to take is future into his own hand. The key for donald trump is he has to win on the first ballot. If he doesnt, its unlikely donald trump will be the nominee of the Republican Party. Right now his play is round one. He has to win this thing. Ted cruz is plaguing the long game on this. Its a smart ground game. With donald trump not getting on with this, not being ahead of the ball on it. Thats worrisome. We are talking about somebody who will be managing huge a swaths of the u. S. Economy. If you cant get