him, gave the order to don mcgann and actually refuse to carry that out so there are certainly questions and of course we've been wanting to hear from don mcgann for some time. >> leland: the president works best when he has a foil, he loves using nancy pelosi as a foil and she just gave him another couple of weeks to do it. >> first of all, she has no leverage. the speaker cannot order the senate to do anything procedurally or otherwise with regard to a trial. >> leland: does this move of trying to call mcgann give her more local room to pivot and say we need to see for is on the articles up? >> of anything, it's an indictment on the terrible job both committees of the house did in rushing to an impeachment vote. why didn't they subpoena mcgann? >> we tried many times. >> you voted for impeachment,