handle everything so publicly. >> that's a great point. >> i've never understood that. the point isn't then to get him to understand a different, you know, outcome for the words or behavior or whatever, the point is, what, just to shame him for not knowing suddenly? that's the opposite of sensitivity training. >> it's insensitivity training. the title of my next book. >> yo this was the headline a long time ago, but when you they in a lucker room there was nothing sensitive, it was all to offend - - so-called locker room talk we heard a lot about in 2016, that what that was. >> yeah. >> not exactly, kyle bush apologized so and he recognized that he made a mistake. and now if people are saying well, i said this before, i should be able to say it now, that's different. if you recognize that you made a mistake, cool, let's move on. >> so why does the former governor of virginia keep wearing blackface? do we have that kind of time? >> i don't think so. we're out of time, harris.