out of the blue. >> and richard roth, how about you? >> other than stephen hawking, nothing, the reason that judge released this, she knew all of this information all of the people's names were already out there in public with regard to jeffrey epstein, including clinton and including former president, it just, she knew it was public information. >> rich, the court should never have had names sealed, to which the court has gone, to protect the names is irregular. >> there is no reason why, the information anything other than victims, should always be revealed. how does -- if bill clinton or donor bill richardson were at the compound or in boca with him, that is is not -- how is how is that -- why does he have an interested to protected. >> charlie, you interviewed