i'm not aware of any suspicious activity that the ukrainians themselves have been engaged in. >> jesse: right. >> there is a lot of residue from the old soviet union. we should be worried about what the russians have and what they may do and is there a possibility that there are some materials being stored in these labs? yes, but there is nothing in ukraine that is not as scary as what they already have in russia. >> jesse: with that said, you say this is good stuff. and i want to believe you. you know they are trying to get ahead of this these viruses. they are trying to do legit experiments so we don't get smacked with some ungodly pathogen. but the same thing was said about wuhan. they were just experiments. they were trying to get ahead of things and research viruses and they were doing gain of function. so we don't trust these labs that the u.s. is funding all over the world after what happened in wuhan. do you think they are doing gain of function in any of these labs in ukraine?