>> you and i talked about this. thank you for the help, by the way. matt goldstein was a captain chasing a bomber who killed some marines. captured the bomb and returned him to afghanistan. afghanistan let him go, matt goldstein's team hunted him down and killed him. the army went after him and took his medals away and all of his qualifications. it's a classic case for a presidential pardon to gopher come a system that went wild. judge jeanine: why would the system go wild. i gather from what you said, a high value target. >> is on a list to kill. judge jeanine: is there a deep state in the military? >> yeah. it's a deep state means is there a bureaucracy? of course there is. it's huge.