dynamics of the border. not only the surge, but the capabilities that the department has. >> shannon: quickly, the other side will argue that with the administration is doing, a number of their asylum plans and immigration plans are tied up in court right now. and that's a process. the bill are to argue these conditions are not good. they are not good for kids, there is lasting damage. they are the adults, either. that it's preferable and more humane to let people go rather than keep them in facilities that are not, by their claims, sanitary. they are not safe, they are not comfortable. >> the detention space that ice operates, both for families and single adults, has very high standards. but it needs to be funded. it's not inexpensive. there has to be an allocation toward that capability so that we can have a secure border and have an immigration system that has integrity. that doesn't allow people to show up at the border and then claim that they need asylum, and be just release them. this capability needs to be funded appropriate way. >> shannon: a lot of work to do on the health for both sides of the aisle on this.