very young. they were being mean to each other. this is politics. i'm a big fan of castro, but that was a good moment. >> the exchange was intense. for pete to get intense, it doesn't happen too often. he kind of mumbled his way earough.i think it is, again, the second-year candidates aren't really breaking through. and pete hasn't really offered a vision, as many of these democrats, they haven't offered a't vision of how they want to move forward and help america grow, especially from the terms of what you said earlier, from an economic standpoint. so i thought the exchange was bizarre between the two of them. and pete's trying to take the upper hand on this, but i think it just fell flat. >> laura: this is one of my favorite awards. that's a high bar. all right, tom, the most likely to conduct the boston