it is also important that we stop seeing religion used as a kind of cudgel, as god belonging to a political party, and if he did, i couldn't imagine it would be the one of the current president is supporting. >> brian: okay, let's not use it but let's just meant mention it. so what is the holy man at pete buttigieg up to lately? last week he gave a speech where he promised easy abortions for all. >> when i am president, we are going to do more than just stop policies pushing us backward, we are going to ensure access to abortion care and proactively expand access to reproductive health. >> brian: simple question, whoeh is holier, gillibrand or mayor pete? >> gillibrand is cold but mayor pete's ostentatious religiosity is a waste of time. he needs to prove he can reach beyond white middle clubs