Been no evidence of systematic fraud which we have seen in state after state, republican and democratic led. Hes saying the president who is trying to undermine democracy and cheat and steal an election, and perhaps, perhaps at the very end hes now saying i cannot go along with this any longer. For the attorney general of the United States to make that statement, hes either a liar or a fool or both. He may be perhaps compromised, he may be simply unprincipled or he may be personally distraught or ill. The Justice Department said this yesterday and got a lot of taxi, they havent collected enough evidence of fraud to change the outcome of last months election, it doesnt mean there wasnt fraud or there wont. Howie the president offered rebuttal of sorts in facebook video revisiting claims of massive Election Fraud. We already have the evidence and its very clear. Many people in the media and even judges so far have refused to accept it. The president released what is essentially a propaganda video on facebook repeating lies he and his team have told about Election Results since november third. The president today in a video that frankly the media just want to ignore, he expressed his legitimate frustration over the inability to verify the ballots authenticity. Howie nbc reporter asked about barrs finding of in widespread fraud. Given that, why is now not the time to concede . Well, he hasnt done anything. Do you still have confidence in bill barr . Ask me that in a number of weeks from now. Howie joining us to analyze the coverage in new york will cain, cohost of fox fox weekend, and in Los Angeles Leslie marshall radio talk show host and fox news contributor. Will, barrs video caused explosion because this is an attorney general perceived fairly or in the as a trump loyalist breaking with the president on widespread fraud, big story . Will yeah, i think its a big story, developing story in the coming weeks. Two words that come to mind when we analyze the medias reaction, dismissiveness and open mindedness, we have seen plenty of the former and very little of the latter. When you play the clips, when i see the medias reaction of the story they are ready to dismiss anything coming from President Trump. Theres a hand wave. Theres no evidence they say, theyre ready to put the story behind them. That ask as a country to move on and little open mindedness. There is evidence of irregularities in an election with massively different from anyone in our history. The great question is does it add up to enough to change the Election Results and i see a lack of open mindedness, i see a lack of curiosity, i see a lack of interest in pursuing those stories. They revert over and over to the hand wave, howie, that lets do away with this story. I think thats what the president is talking about. Theres a reason to investigate from the media, from bill barr, from anyone to find out if theres enough valid evidence credible evidence to to pursue this this claim that the president has that the election should be scrutinized and perhaps reversed. Howie well, we will come back to the legal details, let me ask you kristen, bill barr intervened by roger stone. This is not rogue staffer, is it breaking through to the public that the president is now fed up with his second straight attorney general . Kristen im not sure its breaking through the public and turmoil has been the norm. Trump has gone through a lot of people in different positions. We are less than 60 days from the swearing in of a new president means that this all talk about, well, is he going to fire barr or not. We are almost at the end of the Trump Presidency so a lot of this whether someone will get fired or not, seems to be separate from what i view as the most important question is have we fully and properly investigated claims of irregularities and it seems as though to wills point that in a lot of cases there are Many American who is are frustrated with the medias approach because they say, look, you lost credibility with me. I have never in all of my research around messaging seen it work to tell someone, well, youre wrong. Thats not a persuasive message. A persuasive message says, hey, there were claims of voter fraud in a town in michigan, we investigated them and we found that they were wrong, in fact, all of those people who said were dead were alive, not just saying youre wrong, lets move on. Howie erosion of media credibility is a very serious problem. Leslie, there have been leaks to the Washington Post and others the president beingly being livid and firing barr. But for the rest of the press, suddenly bill barr is honest, suddenly bill barr is a hero . Leslie suddenly bill barr has been doing his job, hes the attorney general of the United States, hes the attorney to the people and allegiance should be throughout the constitution and throughout tenure with the president , not just my side of the aisle, Democrats Ask is whether allegiance is with the president or the constitution, when he said theres absolutely no evidence of widespread voter fraud and not enough evidence of instances that would turn any states results or overturn this election and change the outcome of this election, i think a lot of people especially on my side of the aisle thought, okay, you were steeped in reality. Will talked about stories, we are entering the fairy tale phase here. There was not widespread voter fraud. When you look at state by state and the recounts, joe biden actually gains in some states like wisconsin as an example. Theres a time to tell to emperor, hes naked. Howie let me move on and everybody keep their clothes on. Will, the president s facebook video, escalating attack on democracy from within the white house, President Trump with video rant with baseless allegations of voter fraud and outright falsehoods, what do you make of the tone of the straight news story . Will i dont think thats straight news. I want you to listen and im not coming at leslie particularly here but you used a definitive word, you said there is no evidence of widespread fraud. Leslie, you spoke definitively with a conclusion. What i would say that conclusion is unearned if theres a process going on. Lets tie this with what kristen said, many people are skeptical with the prez and raised eyebrows to have election. Chris would have the exact numbers, its Something Like 77 of republicans and good 30 of democrats are skeptical that this election was on the up and up, what does that mean . It doesnt mean stolen election, it also doesnt mean you can dismissively conclude it was not and back to the press, the one telling us to dismissively conclude it was not, to wave their hands at this, they have burned all credibility, howie, because of lack of consistency. It was 4 years ago that we were told the presidency was illegitimate and it was 4 years that we had a rusha collusion hoax for years and that was an investigation that undercut the legitimacy of a president and now all of a sudden within a matter of weeks, no, no, this should be over, we are done. Dont pursue the process. There are plenty of conclusions to draw. Howie let me give leslie a chance to respond. Trump lawyers believe based on my reporting that one of the reasons the legal setbacks or procedural hurdles such as federal judges not wanting to interfere with state laws and they may take this battle past the Electoral College vote on december but on friday alone legal setbacks in 6 key battleground states, judges using phrases like flimsy foundation, dangerous, let me play for you giuliani, the president s lead lawyer on what he had to say on hannity. The simple fact is we dont need courts. The United States constitution gives sole power to the legislature to decide president ial election. Howie we dont need the courts, leslie. Leslie to wills point, oh, there is let the evidence play out. How many recounts does the state have to do . How many state attorney generals or governors or even republicans, you know, have to say, okay, ive certified the election and my count is 41 out of 42 that have been put forth. Theres a point where you say, okay, the results are accurate. You may not trust the media but now youre not going to trust the courts, you are not going to trust every Single Person in the electoral process and every single state whether its blue like california or red like georgia, theres a point where at the end of the day where you have to say, okay, i have lost the this. Its time to move on and let the country move forward because we are in a pandemic and constantly dragging the American People into this political fantasy at this point, if you will, is unhealthy on so many levels for this nation. Howie well, i think a lot of Trump Supporters do trust kellyanne conway, the Longtime White House counselor until just a few weeks ago. Here is what she said had to about the political situation in a podcast interview. If you look at the vote totals in the Electoral College tally, it looks like joe biden and Kamala Harris will prevail. Howie but kristen, the president says no way in the facebook video. Hes still talking about massive vote dumps and rigged Voting Machines and dead vote and all that. Kristen, he needs to rack up victories in court. Kellys response is from trumps legal team failed to prosecute the case. They have mislabeled within lawsuits, whether they are talking about the state of georgia or wisconsin, they have named people who are not plaintiffs, reference datas from towns in minnesota trying to make case in michigan. Legal team has failed him and thats why they are getting laughed out of court and the reality that kellyanne talks about is the reality, if youre a trump supporter and you believe there was fraud in this election, you should be pure use at the legal team that has led the president s case down so dramatically in so many instances. Howie thats why Rudy Giuliani is talking about state legislators because that would be a Different Group but its tough to convince even republican legislators to do this. Will, sean hannity suggested the other day that donald trump pardon himself and his family, the New York Times reports that the president has had preliminary discussion with Rudy Giuliani about possible pardon although he hasnt been charged with anything. Well, they wouldnt be talking about this if they werent worried about some criminal liability, fair or unfair . Will i dont know what they would be pardoning themselves for. Until theres a crime and until theres a charge, i dont know why we move ahead to some kind of sentencing phase or pardoning phase. I want to say this quickly if i might, howie, i agree with something leslie said, theres a point where we move on, the trumps legal team has to win, they have to make their case as some point abayou point out and i tried to make this point in fox friends, they seemed to be moving their case into the court of Public Opinion when it comes to state legislators, where they will find a lower burden of proof, make no mistake, you still have to make your case. My point is that will not be deemed or not be concluded by the media. It will not be the media that tells us when the case is over, when the process has concludeed. Howie rare moment of agreement. Ahead Martha Maccallum covering debate tonight and Mike Huckabee, debate over covid and lockdown goes viral. [ whispering ] whats this . Oh, are we kicking karly out . We live with at t. It was a lapse in judgment. At t, we called this house meeting because you advertise gigspeed internet, but we cant sign up for that here. Yeah, but im just like warming up to those speeds. Youve lived here two years. The personal attacks arent helping, karly. Dont you have like a hot pilates class to get to or something . [ muffled scream ] stop living with at t. Xfinity can deliver gig to the most homes. Howie with the covid numbers turning grim, 2600 to 2700 deaths, the media covering fierce debate over locking down businesses and things got pretty heated in cnbc. The difference between a bigbox retailer hold on. The difference between a bigbox retailer and a restaurant or frankly even a church are so different its unbelievable. Not in an area where theres a lot of restaurants where they fought back and they dont have any problems. You dont have to believe it. Youre doing a disservice to the viewer because the viewers need to understand it youre doing a disservice to the viewers, you are. Howie will cain is a conservative who helped launch the tea party, andrew is liberal columnist, who is doing a disservice to voters . Will i take no pleasure in this in order do i find personal but andrew is doing a disservice to the viewers because he is con descending telling us exactly how it is and not backing it up. I dont understand how it is a big box retailer so clearly different than a church or small business. Why is it that a big box retailer should be open while Small Businesses shut down. Im not going to be satisfied, how is the science and you repeating over and over isnt an explanation, its just you looking down the nose. Ive been in the media for quite some time and several institutions and it is right with smugness and elitism towards people out there across the country and i think its embodied in the clip right there really sitting there going corporations, they are the ones that can do this right, you at home, Small Businesses, follow the science. You must shut down. Its condescending, i dont think its appropriate anymore when youre speaking from a big pulpit. Howie big reason why a lot of people really distrust or resent the media. Kristen soltis anderson, big box retailers versus schools, versus churches, versus local restaurants or do the media tend to reduce the questions to black and white because it makes for Better Television . Kristen what i see in Public Opinion that by in large americans want to make smart personal choices for themselves. A lot of the experts that they have been hearing from over the last year, theres been many mixed messages, early in the pandemic, dont wear masks, no, no, wear masks or being told dont congregate with lots of people but waving that away over protests in the summer, the reality is that the virus doesnt care your cause, all it cares how close proximity so you can be host for the virus. Many politicians who have been caught lecturing city, dont get together, while traveling to cabo, closing down restaurants who have invested a lot trying to create Outdoor Dining. Not even Outdoor Dining anymore when recently they were dining in highend restaurants in california. Plenty of instances of hypocrisy from many leaders and thats why people who want to do the right thing feel lost as to what that is right now. Howie right, those are democratic mayors and governors. Leslie marshall most of california starting today in stayathome order, los angeles took the lead. Do you think the media debate reflects the difficulty of these decisions about restrictions and curfews and which businesses or other institutions should be able to remain open . Leslie absolutely. I know you get sick of hearing it. My husband came home yesterday and he looked like he had been beaten up and hes been on er call for 7 days straight and this is what he told me and i, quote, i have never seen it like this before. We are running out of beds in the icu, we are building tents in the parking lot and i have never seen so many people code in my life. I have partners and staff who are positive, it just doesnt stop. And this is what im hearing, a neighbor of mine who was an er doctor, every other day i think i have covid. People dont understand whether its a politician or the media, the science is so fluid on this, howie, because this is so new. Doctors are learning. Howie its why its so challenging. Leslie exactly, but the challenges in the er and the reason howie i understand. Leslie people are not complying with social distancing and not complying with not gathering and howie we are concerned about that. Let me get will in for a final thought in 20 seconds. Will i would love to answer the question you asked leslie, is there a tie with politicians who are hypocritical, a view from lock step with inside most media companies, listen to me preach, dont worry what i practice, the same is politicians. Howie yeah, hypocrisy is pretty thick. Thank you all, panel, will cain, Leslie Marshall and Kristen Soltis anderson. Martha maccallum is anchor debate tonight and shes on deck howie President Trump campaigned in georgia and castigated the republican governor over what he claims is sweeping fraud. Your governor could stop it very easily if he knew what the hell he was doing. Youre angry because so many votes were stolen and taken away and you say we are are not going to do it, we have to do the opposite. Howie joining us now is Martha Maccallum, anchoring tonights debate with loeffler and warnock. The president called georgia governor brian kemp, asked him to convene a special session to appoint protrump electors to the Electoral College, he was turned down and pundits say this could depress turnout in january 5th runoffs. How does the president s intervention here in speech last night scramble the coverage of the two senate races . Well, he has to walk a very fine line, obviously its a huge priority for him to speak to all of those trump voters who very sincerely feel that something was not quite right about the president election across the country but at the same time he wants to preserve his legacy. He was just an extraordinarily dramatic finish to w