Has a College Degree are computer studies. We dont know if he played a role in the execution posting of the video ofs of the two american journalists. Is he part of a close knit circle of u. S. Citizens among the first to join al qaedas digital jihad. They include omar who was killed in somalia. Another who played guilty terrorism charges in 2007 forerunner of isis. You know the traditional view is that these terrorist groups go when the opportunity presents itself. I have seen a subtle shift in the thinking among some analyst in the intelligence community. And they are placing more of a premium on those bin laden documents. We havent seen many of them. But in the documents he said it was important for operatives to Pay Attention to significant anniversaries such as 9 11 and then also important holidays. As for abusumra i would assume is he on every watch list known to mankind. American passport. That doesnt stop him from walking across the border in north dakota or something. It doesnt. But is he in syria. And we technically would have to rely on help from the Syrian Government to track him down. He has been there for probably over four years. If he leaves syria to come to the United States, i mean. It would be very difficult for him to get into this country for sure. But he raises the issue of whether it at a certain point these americans who have gone to syria are really forfeiting their right to be u. S. Passport holders. We saw this in the targeted drone campaigns with the american cleric in yemen. We seem to be heading down the same road with isis in iraq and potentially syria. If that happens with american citizens. Can you look to see their passports revoked as well. Imagine how potent he is for recruiting. I mean, its one thing to have someone unfamiliar with a syrian native or from some other country. Is he a potent recruiter. Well, these guys are very fluent in the language of social media. They grew up with it and i have often called the digital jihad because it has no boundaries. And when we look at the production values in those execution videos no matter how graphic they are, they are able to get that stuff up on the web with lightning speed. And significantly after it went up. They understand federal investigators are looking at them and they posted instructions senior members on twitter about how to post video and then try and hide your trail so you cant be found. So they are pretty smart people and their message resonates with that group under 30 that seems to be making this trip. Catherine, thank you. Youre welcome. And did president obamas advisors just get to him . He sure has stepped up the language, two days ago he called isis a manageable problem and today he said he wants to defeat, dismantle and destroy the group. Just words or is president obama ready to act . Allen west joins us. Good evening, sir. Good evening, greta, how are you . Im very well. The words have changed. I suppose thats a positive sign. But what should he be doing . What why have to come to understand is that the president has to come to settle on instate what effects he wants to have. As a military planner if you tell me you want to destroyed, then you say you want to disrupt. Then you tell me you want to dismantle, you want to defeat, you want to degrade and then you want to manage the problem. You know are all over the place and creating such cop fusion i dont know exactly how to plan and how to prepare some type of Operational Plan for you you to approve the president needs to sit down with his advisors not with Valerie Jarrett but with the military advisors and come up with a contingency plan to destroy isis because thats the only course of action that is viable for the United States of america, that region to include the entire world. All right. In addition to your military experience you actually were in iraq. The big question how to defeat isis the president said no boots on the ground. If we armed if we gave them the money and supplies they need, county Iraqi Military and the Kurdish Military now, if they have the weapons, would they be able to defeat isis in iraq and maybe even into syria . Well, that you know, i would not go toward the Iraqi Military because i dont want to get into supporting potentially any type of iranianbacked event. But i would definitely look to support the Kurdish Military, the peshmerga. Can they alone. No, they cant do it alone. See, thats the problem, greta. In that you cannot be such an ideological intransigent that you dont want to, you know, fully do and commit what needs to be done. You cant say what you are not willing to do. The events are dictating that so, you need to have a fullout air campaign, not just air strikes that amount to five or six a day. Thats what we are doing. And you need to have a coordinated joint combined operation that ensures you have destroyed isis. The kurdish pesmerga can do that to an extent but you have to put your own military forces on the ground. You will have to have special Operation Forces that are working in conjunction with the Kurdish Peshmerga they dont have the same radio equipment we have to communicate with the aircraft that are going in and doing strike operations or doing Close Air Support operations. Again, the president is saying what is he not willing to do. But all is he doing is creating the gap by which the enemy can exploit him. Congressman, thank you, sir. Thank you somple, greta. And there is another american citizen in the United States under investigation by the fbi for ties to terrorism. He is terror camp trained and was kicked out of the twin cities largest mosque. Kmsp investigative report broke the story. He joins with the latest what the story . This is a guy who can connect the dots for us. He has incredible back story. He began hanging out at the youth and Family Center earlier this year. One of the largest mosques in the twin cities. In june the mosque kicked him out, called police and got a no tretion pass order. The mosque was concerned about him interaching with their youth. The director tell me a volunteer heard him proselytizing a radical islamist ideology. Some who travel from minnesota from syria had attended alfaruq. Including an 15yearold who left two weeks ago. Back in 2007 amir was arrested in kenya after leaving somalia Training Camp. The fbi suspected him of being part of al qaeda. It was al qaeda at the time not al shabaab. They interrogated him three months shuffled between jails in kenya and somalia. Eventually he was released back into the u. S. Without any criminal charges. The aclu filed a lawsuit on his behalf, which was dismissed a couple months ago. And as part of that lawsuit the aclu claims the fbi tried to turn him into a government informant by promising himtotake him off a nofly a no fly list. His family lives in egypt there are lots of rumors especially in the Somali Community that he may be some kind of double agent. Weighs working for the fbi or on our story tonight. Where is he where is he . Thats a darn good question. I ask the fbi i dont know if they even know at this point. They wouldnt tell me at least. And at least tip our hat to mosque for throwing him out at least because they didnt like him. I have got to say i dont know too much to be made of the fact that some the people have gone through this mosque. Because hundreds go through this mosque. There is not like there is a membership or anything like that. Shouldnt make too much of the fact that some of the travelers have gone there. This mosque did everything they were supposed to do. They had some guy espousing a radical jihadist strategy they picked up the phone and called police. We know that local Police Department forwarded that information on to the joint Terrorism Task force. What happened from there, i dont know. Tom, another great story you broke, thank you. Thank you. Chuck hagel warned the threat posed by isis is beyond anything we have seen. That warning is terrifying. Former Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff joins us. Nice to see you sir. Good to be on, greta. That was chilling when the secretary of defense said that. Its it certainly true since september 11th we now face the most threatening environ. We have had over the last 11 or 12 years. The way its going to play out is not going to be the same as what we saw in 2001. What we are face something a very hardened enemy, a cruel enemy. Most disturbing an enemy very successful in recruiting americans and westerners to go fight over in syria and in iraq. Plus they have so much money and access because it isnt hard to get in the United States if you have a western passport. Western european passport. And you just come here. You dont need a vista. Thats the tastes understood that right after 9 11 we put up some very tough measures to keep foreigners out of the country if we were uncertain about whether they were risky or not. So they started to recruit americans and westerners who dont go through that same kind of vetting process. Thats really the holy grail for the the terrorists is how do you get an american, who has the right to come back to the u. S. , trained, hardened, radicalized and send that person back to carry out a Terror Mission . Its so easy to do the soft targets. Even to get the power grid, i imagine, is pretty easy. I mean, got big sporting events, there are so many soft targets. Part of the change i think we are going to see in tactics from what we saw back in 2001 is the terrorists are going to be less focused on the one big cataclysmic event and more willing to carry out multiple attacks against smaller targets. We saw that in mumbai and india in 2008. We have seen it, for example, in the Boston Marathon, which was, i think, intended to be followed with other attacks elsewhere. Now their tactics have changed and that in some ways makes it more difficult because the more widespread and the smaller scale the plots, the less of a signature there is and the harder to detect. Of course, you dont need much money when you talk about the Boston Marathon, they have a Pressure Cooker and i dont know what off the internet. It isnt difficult to do. This you just have to basically find someone who is so evil. Thats right. But the thing thats really changed is, when you have people like the Boston Marathon folks or some of the other people who have tried to carry out attacks here. Not been very competent in terms of bombmaking or activity. When you bring people over to syria and iraq, you train them in to how to make bombs and train them into combat. Get them more radicalized by exposing them into violence. If they come back they are not only evil they are capable. Thats why everybody is pressing the alarm button in terms of the developments over the last several months. Isis, when ilisten to you whats the best way to protect ourselves citizens is the safest thing if you have some weird neighbor that has c 4 plastic or something. The fbi cant be watching everybody. A couple things. Its always been the case that when the regular average citizens see something strange and reports it, thats been the best way we have had for finding people in the u. S. Plotting things. And that was true even back in the period right after 9 11. So the ordinary citizen engaged and willing as they say to Say Something when they see something is our best line of defense. But candidly, the other line of defense is our intelligence community. And you know there has been a lot of controversy now about nsa and the fact that focusing on foreign intercepts sometimes we get americans picked up. There is a reason for that if americans are talking to a number thats associated with a Foreign Terrorist Group capabilities and collecting intelligence overseas are not compromised. What do you about the situation . More likely someone comes from yemen that the person has been in a Training Camp or syria or something than if the person comes from, i dont know, bermuda. What about sort of that profile . Its such a sensitive issue. A lot of it is where they have traveled and communication and money has come from. For years we have collected what they call passenger record data which is forwarded by airlines to us for all incoming flights. We are able to look and see is there somebody on the flight who maybe got their i ticket paid for by associated with terrorists. Afghanistan where there are Training Camps. We ran that program retroactively against the 9 11 hijackers. In 2001. We is would have picked up a majority of the hijackers as being connected with terrorists. Mr. Secretary, nice to he so you sir. Good to be on, greta. And today secretary of state general kerry telling 10 nations at the nato conference to come up with a comprehensive plan to combat isis and he said do it before the u. N. General Assembly Convenes on september 22nd. Former u. N. Ambassador john bolton joins us. I guess that means, sir, if they told him to come up with a plan as we sit here there is no plan. Exactly right. These nations are not going to come up with a plan. We are going to come up with a plan. Its a rump group of nato. Not even the. A rump group . Its a Smaller Group of the Alliance Plus australia. Im glad the australians are are. In the way nato works is we do the plan, we give it to it nato, nato agrees to it thats how it works. To tell the other countries to help come up with a plan doesnt mean we dont have one b if we have something when the General Assembly opens when which shut turley irrelevant to this issue it is going to be a political plan and not a military plan. Why do you think he said that because none of the 10 countries, u. S. , u. K. , germany, italy and denmark not one of them is going to send a ground troop there going to be left to the kurds and kurdish army and the iraqi army. And its going to require us to provide the intelligence and air support to help them out. The other countries will supply advisors, i think they will supply arms and other supplies. Basically suspects going to be our project. It does look like better than not having one. Smaller than nato. Turkey being right there is a nato ally directly effective. Why isnt the entire alliance with us . Why is it because nato says isis a problem for everybody. Why isnt nato . I think many of the Eastern European countries, im glad poland is in there they are happening and ukraine. There is a lot of rhetoric at this nato summit i think the president finally got his lines right about degrading and destroying the islamic state. Its a summit that i fear we will look back on in 30 days and say a lot of rhetoric, no performance. I guess it doesnt make any sense just to have 10. They should all be doing it. Why couldnt they all get together . If they all if nato itself has said isis a problem for nato. Why are we covering 10 countries to do this planning business . There is no logic to it at all except that the others simply wouldnt have agreed to anything of any substance. Coalition of the willing. Nato invoked article a of the treaty to come to the americans defense. 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Joining us the lead producer of that video New York Times senior video journalist adam. Its unbelievable the violence that goes on there. This was a june massacre; is that correct . Yes, thats correct. It took place around june 119 or 12th. And to think that i mean, is it your understanding its even got more violent in that area since then . More difficult to it cover . Im not quite sure whats progressed since then. I havent been in the region. Can i tell you that the journey in which ali survived took place over an entire month. This is a 22yearold man with two kids and a wife. He enlisted in the military on june 1st. And just 10, 11, 12