Himself. What the president is suggest something tearing at the very fabric of the constitution. Im not the emperor of the United States. Im almost speechless here. Im excited about the courage of this president. The American People dont support amnesty. This is not amnesty. We can now soon add the amnesty told by the president. The president cannot write laws. The president cannot make it up. And senator rand paul joins us. Good evening, sir. Hey, greta. The president says he is going to make an announcement tomorrow night 8 00 p. M. About an executive order immigration, i take it you dont like this he said 22 times previously he doesnt have the power to legislate on his own with regard to immigration. I hope he keeps that in mind when he comes forward to do something different. No, i think he has absolutely no right through executive order to write new immigration law. So i am very much opposed to it. Im open to some form of Immigration Reform. Im open to expanding work visas. Im open to a lot of ideas. But the president cant do this. This goes against the fundamental separation of powers that we have in our country. All right. The Judicial Branch can review an executive order. There may be some other branch of government that can take a look at this. In the meantime, what do you intend to do . He has made it very plain what he intends to do. Its difficult because if Congress Rebukes him and right now we have a democrat controlled senate, which is not going to rebuke the president , but lets say even in january, we decide to rebuke him with legislation, he could simply veto that. But i would say that there is a case from the 1950s, the young town steel case. In that case the Supreme Court said to harry truman that he had done something unlawful through executive order. This is kind of rare, but they said there are three kinds of executive orders. One executive order is to execute the law as it was intended one type of executive order is murky and unclear what i would recommend to the house is they should immediately pass a resolution saying what he is doing is contrary to the will of the house of representatives. That would set up, i think a very clear cut case in the court and may take a while to get him. But the thing is history will treat him unkindly on this if he thinks he can become king. You know though, the whole idea is Like Washington people are always worried about their reputation. History will treat them unkindly. These have real impact on people. Who is the hypocrite and not the hypocrite. They have a real impact. Im curious whether you think the house should have volted on the Senate Immigration bill that was sent over at least a year ago . I have always been in favor of securing the border first, doing some things to increase work permits. For example, there is a couple of bills that are very uncontroversial and im for passing them immediately in january and i think we may do. This visas for people with a masters degree or a ph. D. In math and science. They are being gobbled up by other countries. And we would love to have them in silicone valley nor texas and austin or different places. At our universities, teaching. We want those people in our country. But we dont have enough visas for people that have great skills. A bill passed in the house last year, but the democrats had basically held it hostage and said unless we get everything we want, we wont give you part of what would be good for the country. I think what will happen when republicans take over is some good things that there is overwhelming support for like increasing visas people with College Degrees people with math and science that will happen immediately. Is the president willing to work with us to get part of what he wants or will he insist of always getting everything he wants . Well, we will be watching. Tomorrow night at 8 00 p. M. The president will speak to the nation. Thank you, sir. Thank you, greta. So why now . Post election, lame duck and of course it is true president obama has been threatening to bypass congress on immigration for a long time. So why announce executive order just days before a holiday week . Joining us our Political Panel hill a. B. Stoddard and Susan Ferrechio and National Journal ron foreign yea. Even more consequently night of the latino grammies. What a coincidence. I know the white house staff are patting themselves on the back. I think they pulled off cute microtargetting here. The president will speak to the Hispanic Community through the grammies, pause the grammies and let him speak. Major networks are not carrying it. People for what he is doing barely. We should get into the poll numbers and people who are against him arent. Interesting in the poll numbers, almost 60 of the public is for Immigration Reform. But, only 38 think the president should do it by fiat. Only 43 of hispanics think president should do this by fiat. What he is doing is not very popular. Big picture timing. Optimal moment for the president to make this decision. We are days away from needing to pass a Big Government funding bill. The g. O. P. Is on the edge of taking over congress. Everybody is watching republicans. What this is going to do is force the republicans into a big fight over how to respond to this in the spending bill. Its a win, win. Getting it done before the end of the year as he promised and doing it in a way thats going to highlight divisions within the republicans that will favor the democrats. Make them look like the ones who lead and the republicans like the one who about shutdowns and impeachments and fighting amongst themselves. I hate to be a real cynic politically. You know that this factored in when they talked about whether though do this now or after the government funding bill passed. Big spotlight is always the media. And the media is standing by a. B. Wondering to see if ferguson, missouri, is going to implode or not because then all a of the sudden huge riot immigration. It will be lost, exactly. Thats very interesting timing. But i think susan is right. The democrats actually are disappointed in the timing, if you talk to democrats in the congress who would be generally supportive. They wanted to get the spending fight. Like senator harry reid, the majority leader who is still in control of the senate for another another or so. They wanted the spending fight to pass before this happened because it could be the position of the republicans put certain riders into the spending bill and democrats are seen as shutting down the government if they dont agree to them. So, there will be pressure for democrats to criticize the announcement because it was done by fiat. To join in with zeroing out funding to keep the government open. And there will be some pressure on democrats. It is also true, what susan says, that president obama, i think, feels he has nothing left to lose and is happy to invite republicans to be on the record supporting deportation. Opposing deferred action and on and on. Missing the big picture here. All assuming hispanics for. This right now if we dont have the majority of hispanics who want him to do this by fiat. We could have in the next election the same as happened in this election. The hispanics are not going to vote for republicans but they could stay home. They see a lot of them already see this as pandering. And, of course, the whole thought that why didnt you just wait and september 11th. Why not wait a couple more weeks. I like the grammies tie. Control the congress. Why dont he give them Immigration Reform durable. Why not give bipartisan immigration. White house meeting. Why didnt he do it house and the senate. Didnt want to wait a couple months. Hispanics know when theyre being pandered to and used politically. They can see through this. Here we go again. Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber calling all of us stupid and more than once. Even more insulting. Gruber voicing over a cartoon to explain obamacare to what he considers stupid americans. Thats right. A cartoon. Im Jonathan Gruber, an economist at mit, served as an advisor for both the massachusetts and the National Healthcare reform bill. Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, you know, call it the stupidity of the American Voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass. We know it can succeed because its based on a successful reform in massachusetts. Ted kennedy and smart people in massachusetts figured out a way to rip off the feds for 4. 5 million a year. Clever exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of the voter. Health care reality for all americans. Americans are too stupid to understand. Representative trey gowdy joins us. Nice to see you. How are you . Your thoughts about mr. Gruber and now he has a cartoon. I guess he thinks adults are so stupid. Kids arent buying healthcare but parents are. They must need a cartoon. I prefer sponge bob but i did watch his cartoon earlier today. I cant get past the irony to get to the arrogance. There is plenty of arrogance. But when an administration holds itself out as the most transparent ever, and then you confess that you have to use deception to pass your signature piece of legislation, and then you insult the voters in the process who, by the way, through threw out your party summarily weeks ago and still getting public money to continue the indignities and the insults, shame on us if we dont do something. This is the thing thats interesting about it in his cartoon. In his cartoon he says in part that he knows that the obamacare will succeed because its based on successful reform in mass massachusetts. Massachusetts was successful because it got 400milliondollar grant from the federal government. Obamacare, this nationwide healthcare isnt getting a grant from anybody. Right. I saw that today. I mean, he was bragging about essentially getting the rest of the country to pay for the Massachusetts Healthcare plan. And then thats sort of the successful model. Right. Well, there is no place our country can go to dupe somebody into giving us 400 million. Which is why he probably thinks we are stupid if we bought that. You know what . I think people show that they were pretty smart a couple weeks ago. And i think any time you base any piece of legislation on the fact that your voters arent going to read the bill, or arent going you believe they are not going to understand the intricacies of the bill, thats dangerous for a participatory republic. What happens, whether you like obamacare or not. You have to hate the way this went down. Nobody read the bill it was incomprehensible. I tried to read it myself. Then you have got them admitting lack of transparency to get it passed. They think the people were so stupid that they could slick the people. Well, when you have an insomniac with Tourette Syndrome you dont interrupt him. We will let him keep talking for as long as he will talk. And then when he is through insulting our fellow citizens, then we are going what i would recommend to the speaker and others is have a series of congressional hearings primarily to focus on the money that we spent on him. I would love to ask him, when you apologize, did you apologize because you said it or did you apologize because you meant it . I mean, i think he meant that we could not have passed this bill if people had been paying attention. That undermines the democracy. I mean, i dont mind the insults, big deal, people say nasty rotten things to each other all the time. Im okay on that. Its pretty arrogant what he did. Whats even more disturb aring is to it undermine the democratic system by being deceitful, knowingly to get something passed. Thats different. But, greta, when somebody is so much smarter than we are, and knows so much better whats in our best interest. And they happen to have a ph. D. Behind their name, its okay when they lie to us. Because they have our best interest in mind. You and i are just not smart enough to know what is best for us. It is the arrogance. If i could get past the irony, i would get to the arrogance. But this Transparent Administration cant tell you the truth about a signature piece of legislation. That irony is just rich to me. Congressman, nice to see you. Welcome back to washington. Nice to see you, sir. Thank you. Developing now, Jonathan Gruber is stepping down in vermont. You saw it here first last night when on the record reported that Jonathan Gruber has 400,000 contract in the state of vermont some not so happy vermonters. Well we have no idea if our reporting had any impact. News just 24 hours later, Jonathan Gruber is quitting his Healthcare Consulting job with the state of vermont. Here is what Vermont Senate minority leader joe benning had to say about gruber today. When you are coming to a group of people who are paying you a large sum of money to try to have something accomplished, and you treat them with disrespect, that leads, in my eyes, to a situation where is he not going to be credible when he tries to come into the legislature to sell whatever package he develops. And fox news correspondent Doug Mckelway is live in vermont. Doug . Hi, greta. Hard to tell if this decision was long in planning or something that came up very suddenly. It came in the form of a telephone call from the governors office. From the Governors Point man on healthcare to gruber who said that he had become so toxic in effect that they could no longer work with him. Under the terms of the agreement, gruber will no longer finish the pay of his 400,000 contract. He can keep 160,000 that he already earned. Unclear whether is he is going to continue to work on the contract in vermont or turn it over to his Research Assistants who are paid 100 an hour. Far less than the 500 an hour that gruber made. But long before gruber became so talks sim the Health Care Plan in vermont was toxic in and of itself. There had been lots of missed deadlines. Lots of accusations of missed deadlines and also of a toxic nature of the entire plan. A lack of transparency on the part of the governor. He won reelection in november by the way by only 1 percentage point over a poorly funded republican candidate. Neither candidate garnered 50 of the vote. So january 8th, the legislature is going to decide hot next governor is. It may be that the incumbent, Peter Shumlin did not want that name, Jonathan Gruber hanging over his head with that vote looming. Greta, back to you. Doug, thank you. And on the record and fox news have been telling you about Jonathan Gruber ever since his first of many videos surfaced. Was the Mainstream Media largely ignoring the architect controversy . If so why . Our Political Panel is back. Susan to you, is fox news making too much out of this Jonathan Gruber or is this important . Ever since this story broke, the first thing i thought of was the video of mitt romney and the 47 . Remember during the campaign that secret video was revealed and the media went crazy. Was nonstop coverage. Walltowall coverage of that video. Response to the video. Poll numbers relating to the video. And this reminds me of that we are seeing a revelation that someone close to the administration about the healthcare law that appears to be a deception and the same way people felt mitt romney deceiving them what he really feels of the voters. Yet, nobody is paying any attention. This is the major healthcare law. I dont think so. I would just say one thing, i dont think is he close to it the administration on this. I think that he was the architect. He is in the brief thats been filed with the Supreme Court, a petition. Generous, yeah. Is he so thick into this. Thats the problem is that the administration has really not been forthcoming about their relationship with him. He was mentioned frequently in the president ial campaign in 12 because they used grubers involvement to deflect criticism of obamacare saying it was romney care light and that he had been the architect in massachusetts. Whats mitt romney doing picking on obamacare . He was paid 400,000. Your viewers should know thats a lot of money in this town. They are not congressional or white house staffers making 400,000. No matter how much. When you add it all up and he was in president ial meetings. President ial level, present at meetings. You dont just get there unless you are influential. So, the fact that senate democrats, House Democrats have not come to the cameras and said we were not deceiving the American People, we did not do it that way. And i dont you know, i disagree with what he is saying. We are are not hearing that and also not hearing from the white house. You know, a rejection of his criticism but an acknowledgment that he wasnt part of the process. Cbs has done four broadcast. Nbc one broadcast. Abc one broadcast on this. I dont care if the president is from the red party, the blue party or the green party. When the white house was caught lying about the lier and the lies, which is what happened here. That should be a big story. And i would equate it to, there is obviously no equation between healthcare and a war. But if we can remember when it was found out that. Bush administration was paying exgenerals of a lot of money and so inflate need for war. It was a huge story on the front page of the major noopsz and it was the same kind of story. It was the Administration Spending taxpayer money to promote its policy. And to decei