There you go. Thanks for inviting us into your home tonight. And unafraid. Greta goes on the record right now. I see your facebook post. I see your tweets, your emails. You are not just a little you arex3h n furious. Its not just republicans. Republicans,ln5fmocrats, and independents, you have all had it. I get out of the studio, i9k travel, take to people. I hear you. Fair shake so you can get ahead. Have you had empty promises and unending struggle to get anything done. So this 2016 Campaign Matters it matters big 7time whether you are a democrat, a republican, or an independent. Tonight, we have new information thats bruising 2016 battle for the white house it starts with former president ial candidate mr. Herman cain. But, first, here are the candidates. I do want to finish this off. Im dealing with two smart,
tough guys. And you know, we are not going to get there by bashing one another. Donald has a hard ceiling of maybe 35 to 40 . He cant go above that he has proven over and over again. The last person Hillary Clinton wants to face is me. And i mean i know that for a fact. And we are fighting for the future of this country, for the spirit of this country. Not only do i beat donald but i beat donald by double digits. I want to make sure i end up winning. I would like to get to q the finish line. Im pretty good at getting to finish lines. Joining us former president ial candidate herman cain. Good evening, sir. Hello, greta. Thank you. Lets start with the Republican Party. Is donald trump unbeatable for the nomination . Donald trump is not unbeatable for the nomination but he can win the nomination because i dont buy the delegate math that says he is not going to get the 1237 votes that are
required. I happen to believe that some people who may not have made up their minds in some of these states may come over to donald trump when they hear accurately what some the proposals he has made will do for those issues thats important to them. Jobs, the economy, strengthen the military, building the wall, et cetera. They just have not been exposed enough to what his true message is because of the perception thats being spoon fed. What do i have such a perception that there is a huge rupture in the Republican Party that they are teetering on this i dont know whats going to happen but it looks really bad. Because you are correct. The Republican Party is shooting itself in both feet. You have donald trump, who is leading who could sow up the nomination. But you have this faction out there. They call themselves conservatives, not necessarily republican conservative activists who are dead set against donald trump. nnjv c c now, you have other outside
sources that smell blood in the water. You have anonymous, which is a group thats threatening to bring down trumps organization. You have black lives matter, who are threatening violence if trump gets the nomination. And now you have harry reid piling on. So what they see is a fractured Republican Party as you pointed out. And they are taking advantage of this, trying to continue to get the Republican Party to destroy itself. All right. Where is senator ted cruz and governor kasich . Where dop7 they fit in this narrative of this growing, at least what i consider growing rupture in the Republican Party . Well, i think they are basically using the negative fracturing of the party to hopefully to their advantage because they realize that they have got to take some body blows against donald trump in order to hopefully begin to increase the primaries that they are going to win. Heres the other thing about all of these attacks on donald trump and all of the other efforts out there to bring down trump. They are trying to scare voters into not voting for trump with things such as international angst that he is going to upset some of our allies. Weii already know that the conservative activists as they call themselves, that they are determined that they might try a third party. All of this is to try and scare voters away from trump and, greta, i dont believe it is working and i dont believe it will work. But donald trump has sort of done the reverse scare. He has said he has made noises about that pledge if the Republican Party is not good to him, is he going to bolt. Well, they wanted him to sign the pledge and he did. Now they are reneging on the pledge that they wanted him to sign. This is hypocrisy. Im telling you that the people that are supporting trump, they represent this bigger tent of conservative republican voters. See, getting hung up on the labels is what a lot of the supporters of donald trump
arent getting hung up on. But, yet, the label people like the republicans and conservatives, they are getting hung up on these labels. So, yes. Is he going to challenge them and say you want made me sign, this so now you want to undo all of that and create a double standard. I dont think its going to work. And i also happen to believe that the convention, the convention if they play by the rules, donald trump can still win. Mr. Herman cain, thank you, sir. He ripping donald trump on twitter. Governor kasich calling out trump after trump said this about what will happen if trump is denied the g. O. P. Nomination. I think well win before getting to the convention, but i can tell you if we didnt, and if were 20 votes short or if were, you at 1100 and somebody else is at 500 or 400 because we are way ahead of everybody, i dont think you can say that we dont get it automatically. I think it would be i think you would have riots. I think you would have riots. Governor kasich firing back in a series of tweets saying donald trump said there could be riots if he is denied the g. O. P. Nomination in a contested convention. Thats more unacceptable language. This implicit acceptance of violence is the kind of rhetoric thats pulling people apart. A true leader urges peaceful debate over violence. The on the record Political Panel is here from the Washington Post tumulty and from the daily beast jackie kucinich. No one thinks of me as you see can ing riots. He has a very bad situation right now because there has been violence at hisdw arenas, using that term riot for him, the thought is much different. It is. Very much so. The language used at his rallies. People believe it . People believe it no his lead because is he a leader. That said, i do think that if you see the socalled elite, socalled establishment go into a room if there is a contested convention and come out with a choice like marco rubio or
mitt romney, essentially saying to the base, you know, youre too drunk to drive to the white house. Im going taking to take the cos and get us there people are going to be upset. I dont know if its going to be a riot but]÷ its going to be a very upset convention floor. You would think that donald trump either he believes that the riot business or he is using incendiary words or is he a careless speaker or whatever. But if you are running for president you ought to get the message now that there are certain words that he might steer clear of. Especially since a pattern of a kind of language that he uses at his rallies about protesters. Its not that he is necessarily predicting riots. He sounds like he is condoning them. That he thinks they justified. And, you know, its really the first time i have heard a president ial candidate of a majornqn party who does this on a routine basis. Justifies violence. Have you ever seen someone who is a frontrunner have everyone gunning for
him. Frontrunner and have socalled republican establishment gunning for him. I can use that word. I mean can i use that word. Exactly. Well, its true. I mean, the republican z establishment is used to getting its way. We have always seen the script for the primaries is always there is some insurgent contender who has a few months in the sun and then the establishment ultimately steps on him. This is not happening with donald trump, which is why we are in uncharted territory. And you agree, jackie . Yes, i absolutely do. I agree with karen. It does seem like it is an unprecedented situation where you have a party that doesnt agree with donald trump and some of the things that he stands for. Having to go along to get along. But its sort of funny in the sense that come run for our party and then when you win oh no, we dont want you. Donald does have some culpability here. Is he talking about banning muslims. He is talking about very incendiary things that he has said. In a party that actually was trying to be wyden the
tent. Why cant the socalled republican establishment, why arent they getting the votes . Thats a good question, right . Because people are mad. Karen and jackie stay with us. Congress. Executive action on immigration. The house setting a stage for the possible battle. Executive a;yrn. Also a controversy out on the campaign trail this year. Executive power as we all know has been the preferred vehicle of president obama, abusing his authority. He just signs executive orders all over the place, then he will be sued on that. He will bev7 out onxu the gulf gulf golf course when it comes up. Since he has given up working with congress he thinks he can impose anything he wants. He is not a king. He is a president. I will rescind every single illegal and unconstitutional executive action barack obama has done. That means on day one, his illegal executive amnesty goes away with the strike of a pen. Back on capitol hill
todays vote authorizing the speaker of the house paul ryan to file a brief and, thus, joining in an already filed case that challenges the president s plan to shield 11 million Illegal Immigrants from deportation. South carolina congressman and lawyer trey gowdy goes on the record. Good evening, sir. Good evening, how are you . Very well. Does this mean anything to a judge . That the house of representatives may be filing a brief saying me, too on this lawsuit brought by states against this executive action . You know, ordinarily, i dont think amicus briefs i mean, judges will never tell you that but i dont know that judges are that persuaded by amicus briefs. I think it may be a slight exception. This is a constitutional question. And the house definitely has standing. I think we would have had standing to bring the suit quite frankly, but the states brought it. I would think the Supreme Court would be interested in our perspective on the constitutional equilibrium. When will this be filed likely . As soon as we can find a
lawyer smart enough to drafted the brief for us and that rules out most members of congress. So i think the resolution allows paul if he wants to to seek the advice of outside counsel. You know, i dont want to get into the weeds but its sort of interesting because you might notje be able to bring this yourself not having whats called standing. Its sort of interesting is that with somebody else you can weigh in saying this is how we feel it does let you get in the back door to be heard on this. Well, youhne
because the states filed the suit. Let me go to the other side of the hill to your brother chamber or sister chamber. The republicans on the senate say that they will not hold a hearing. If it were your decision, would there be a hearing for the Supreme Court nominee judge garland . Well, thank the lord it will never be my hearing because i will never i cant sleep sitting up in a chair, so i will never be in the United States senate. So no i would not. I would meet with the nominee because i think thats the respectful thing to do and is he a very accomplished judge so of course you are going to meet with him. But the reality is, greta, elections have consequences and, yes, the president won in 2012,nk and, yes, the voters in 2014 fired harry reid and replaced him with a majority in the senate. We are 10 months away from an election. If you will keep in mind whenever there has been a vacancy in the past, the president and democrats have always said we have to keep
this equilibrium. You have to replace a progressive with a progressive, a moderate with a moderate. Scalia was the most conservative judge on that court. So if you are going to keep that equilibrium you need to go find the second most conservative person in the country and replace scalia with him or her. And this judge would not be the second most conservative person. Well, i will leave you with most of the last word but i dont know if equilibrium stuff isnt in the constitution. I think the president gets to choose who he wants and the senate gets to advise and consent. Im going to sneak in the last word. Congressman, thank you for joining us. Yes, maam, thank you. Senator ted cruz who has been campaigning and even bragging that he is not the republican establishment may now become the republican establishment darling. Go figure, right . Senator Lindsey Graham when he was running for president had these very harsh words for senator cruz. Vn7 youre u choice is donald trump and ted cruz in a general election is the difference between poison or shot, you are still dead. And cut to3c today where senator graham says he is now fundraising for his former rival. Im going to be doing a fundraiser with and for senator cruz. I think he is the best alternative to donald trump. He is certainly not my preference. Senator cruz is not. But is he a reliable republican conservative of which i have had many differences with i doubt Donald Trumps conservative, and i think he would be a disaster for the party. Im going to try to help raise money for senator cruz and the community. Will more Establishment Republicans turn to senator cruz in the on the record Political Panel is back. Karen, if this werent so rolling my eyes. I dont get is that now senator ted cruz, who is the antiestablishment candidate is the establishment candidate and now senator now many senators are embracing him who didnt like him. This makes number two in endorsements. This is the weirdest endorsement. In that its not. Its not endorsement. He is going it fund raise for him. Well, and give me the
you know, the distinction without. I totally agree with you but they are saying thats what they are saying. His rationale is not that ted cruz would make a good president. Its just basically ted cruz is the last thing standing between donald trump and the nomination, so im going to support him. It is, again, its, i think as i was saying before, we are in to uncharted territory. This was truly one of thel strangest semi endorsements that i have ever heard. What should senator ted cruz say thank you very much. Yeah. Is he fundraising for him. Is he i mean i think what you are going to hear from the Cruz Campaign is were happy for the help. Dont you think though the American People are sitting at home saying what happened . A little bit . I mean, i have got to go back to beat a dead horse but i think there should be a hearing on garland so the American People can hear from him and the senate can reject him, thats heir right. The American People are sitting back watching their campaign a guy running saying im not establishment, is he now embraced by the establishment. He is happy to have it odd
man out. A lot of chess going on here. A lot of political chess to figure out who is the best alternative. Or slide of hand. That too. Its really seems that they are now so afraid that donald trump could end up being the figure head of their party. That Lindsey Graham will actually endorse ted cruz. Its just amazing. I mean i understand why the American People are furious and getting angrier by the moment, both parties. You know, this election started with dissolutionment and people, i mean not getting better. People are angry about it, you were saying, they dont believe anything coming out ofuu washington. And then they see these sorts of sort of strange sen than begans. All right, panel, stand by for a second. Senator marco rubio is now out and about after tuesdays stinging defeat in florida. Heres what the senator, now former president ial candidate, just said about the very real possibility of a contested convention. Perhaps, you know trump has gained enough delegates to kind of move closer in that direction but there is still an open question whether he gets to 12034. We will see if it plays out. I dont think thats the ideal outcome for the party. I think ideal world you have a nominee and people coalesce around the nominee. It gives you a stronger position in the general election. I dont believe donald trump will ever be able to do that. I mean, if this goes to the convention, which i think a lot of reporters are kind of doing because none of us have ever covered one, or a lot of us have never covered one. If trump does not get that number of delegates, even if ted cruz has, you know, 800, youre going to see a lot of debate and horse trading. It does weaken the eventual nominee. If they are not elected to be their partys nominee on the first ballot because then its a free for all. The calculation is going to be whether that is worse than in having donald trump at the top of the ticket. A lot of establishment figures in the Republican Party think not only would he go down to a goldwater sized defeat, but that he could take the United States senate with him and a lot of down ballot races, too. Lets get the . Viewers in at home on this. Now is your chance viewers at home on twitter would a brokered on contested convention rupture the g. O. P. , tweet yes or no using greta. Im going it show you your live twitter votes throughout the show. Jackie, i think that if donald trump has 1236, one shy, and he doesnt end up with the nominee, his supporters will not be voting in november. On the flipn side, there are a lot of people in the Republican Party say they will not vote for donald trump under any circumstance. So somebody is going to have a big job of trying to get all those republicans together. Absolutely. Its basically like the worst fight your family ever had only on National Television that we will see at the convention if, you know, no one gets the number of votes that they need. Whats going to happen . Well, you know, again, the people should sort of the republicans should cross their fingers and hope that they actually have the nominee before the conventio