Hey, have a good rest of the day. Outnumbered starts right now. Lets begin with a fox news alert, the stakes are high today as voters are headed to the polls for primaries in several states. Ohios Special Election is getting some special attention. The house race for a seat the gop has held for decades is viewed as a big test for President Trumps kingmaking abilities. Or queenmaking. And may give us a preview of how the Midterm Elections will shape up. Youre watching outnumbered on a tuesday. Im harris faulkner, melissa francis, Senior Fellow for the independent womens voice, Syndicated Radio Talk Show Host and Fox News Contributor and opinionist, leslie markel. Joining us, fox Friends Weekend cohost pete hegseth
with a Military Salute here on outnumbered. I like the matching socks and tie. Did you catch that . Shoelaces, too, coordinates with the socks its a little too much. I like it. Perfect for a summer tuesday. I like how you color coordinated his tie with my dress. I like the color wheel. He did on it his own. Polls showing a dead heat in the e Special Election in columbus, ohio area. Republicans have been pouring in resources and democrats pushing hard for the upset. The two candidates, danny oconnor, republican toy balderson, casting their balance, President Trump entorsing balderson, the president Tweeted Ohio Vote for Troy Balderson for congress. His opponent controlled by nancy pelosi, weak on crime, the worder, military, your Second Amendment and will end your tax cuts. Troy will be a great congressman. President trump with a pretty
good record on his endorsements of republican candidates. 201 to be exact. And while the president looms large over the ohio race, the Special Election is raising things for both parties headed into november. You do have a nay sayer thats pro touch, but you need moderate republicans, you need lot of moderate women to also, who have been leaning republican to break your way. Why the district is so tight. Its a point for republican district, shouldnt be close. But it is closer than it should be based on the polling that weve seen. But also remember, polling in a Special Election in a place like this, is notoriously difficult to predict. But, what we are looking at here, is sort of a referendum on donald trump and nancy pelosi, none si pelosi is a big issue in the district. Lets talk about what charlie
and his new Summertime Haircut is talking about here. Right, right. A good haircut. It is. Hes talking about polling, but three decades of leadership by republicans, right . In that seat. Its even more complicated than just the polling. What is happening that republicans are this much on the precipice of losing a seat . You have a lot of energy on the democratic side, no doubt. The resist movement is real, democrats hate President Trump, make no mistake about it, his name is on the ballot. All the way through november. Whether that candidate wants interest or not. You have a democrat running as moderate, i went and looked at his website again, like connor lamb in pennsylvania. A few buzz words that speak to the democratic base. But hes not going to vote for nancy pelosi for speaker, hes saying im going to work with all sides, looking like moderate, most democrats are nowhere near moderate, and who will energize the base enough. Thats why trump was there in a key county. If you have to look like a moderate how do you win like a socialist, this might be one place but that isnt going to win all over the country. Like its been said and ive said, brooklyn, new york is not brooklyn, iowa. We have a party just like republicans have a party, where there are different factions to the party. The Democratic Party is very left or socialist. Then the more moderate democrats like me and others and we are, but also in the race, what were seeing is patterns. If you look at pennsylvanias 18th and georgias sixth, the democrats put forth a nonpolitician, a 30something year old whoa, whoa, but he had political moves, he tacked right on issues like abortion. He may be quote unquote a nonpolitician on paper, but but its a politically calculated move. Obviously, you want to win. When you have a republican putting out another 50plus
white guy with lacking a political background. But, leslie and petes point, you have similarities with connor lamb, a younger 38something versus an older person in stated and local politics for a longer period of time. Well see how it plays out in the district, more largely speaking for a republican, any house member should be deeply concerned and running this or 10 points behind. Special elections are special for a reason, you dont want to glean too much. What you can take away is consistently democrats have outperformed in the Special Elections. If youre a republican, even if youre running in a red congressional district, you shurd be concerned and you should take your election very, very seriously. Should you be calling the president , can you tweet, can you come in . Well, look at delaware if i record of 201 on anything, i might have been an athlete. Delaware countys night, where President Trump showed up where they need republicans to turn out, look there and see
what happens in delaware county. Talk to me about this resist movement. Those numbers are hard the intensity on the left side is not to be missed. But the president his mojo is very strong here at 201. Its interest that normally in the Midterm Election you have kind of a lack of enthusiasm because the president has been elected, they havent done what they said theyre going to do. On the other side a regrouping and everyone is disenfranchised and disenchanted. Trump has been even more trumpy than he ever promised to be. Anyone who thought he was going to, you know, soften around the edges has been completely wrong. Those who love him are out in force and are more fired up than ever. And thats, you know, a huge support for those that he goes out and endorses. Those who hate him are more fired up than ever before and cant believe how this has turned out even worse than they thought. This is a bizarre midterm in
that everyone is more fired up than theyre usually in my opinion. So, pete, when you and i and many of us on the couch are out talking with voters, how can you tell who has the most intensity . Is it because what melissa laid out are great points. Who goes to the polls . That matters the most, Midterm Elections are Base Turnout Elections for the most part, not like president ial elections. Who has the bigger base. Exactly. In this district republicans, more than 14 . Fair enough. The clip we played, moderate, what about moderate republicans . Moderate republicans have come to trump. If youre a nevertrumper, you arent going to like trump. I go to the county republican events, different conservative events, folks reluctant, see what hes done, and theyve moved in his direction. Even if they dont love the bomb past. The republicans are there, the democrats are a resist and its going to be a turnout. Something ive heard you say, lisa, thats playing a role in
all of this, people, as melissa pointed out, trying to get the president to be different, go this way or that way. You have said people just want some one whos genuine. Thats one of the main reasons, even with his donations to democrats, going out there, i thought i could buy them. People appreciated that authenticity, where you had some one completely inauthentic. I worked in a couple of campaigns, i dont think we know if this is going to be a wave, but i remember melissa bean in illinois, we had no idea that joe walsh was going to win that seat when i was working at the nrcc. We dont know how its going to play out. Well know more after labor day and where things are swinging. Republicans should be concerned. Even just historically, one republican had both sides in congress and the white house. If i can say, President Trump, were in communications, so great at marketing. A news show featuring the top headlines of the day from pop culture to politics, which are discussed by a rotating panel of four women and one man. Many businesses around the world didnt want to risk losing business in the United States in order to continue to do business with iran. The implications are already pretty profound. Theyll grow more profound in november when the oil related sanctions kick in as well. How is nancy pelosi, saying in a statement, far from making us more safe the president s latest ill informed attempt to dismantle the successful joint Comprehensive Plan Of Action makes america and her allies less secure. This counter productive action only diminishes Americas International credibility. Erodes our relationship with our nato and eu allies and sets back the path to a more stable region and peaceful nonnuclear future. Reimposing the sanctions may be having the intended effect. Irans president saying his country is open to negotiations with the u. S. If there is, quote, sincerity. Pete, ill ask you first, if you
say, you can do business with us or do business with them. Europe wanted to do business with iran as a large untapped market, young people, going to buy iphones, drink cocacola, be derock ratized. If look at it, there is rioting in the streets f you ask anyone in the eu, you want to do business with us or them, its all about the fact there isnt a lot of business to do in iran. Economic power still matters. And these leaders in the eu may say, we dont like this, we want to keep the deal, we think it could have worked. Trunk ran on scrapping it, he scrapped it. Indications are showing that america will side with america, they understand for their own economic benefit. Makes more sense to go along passively, even if the rhetoric says america Shouldnt Have done this. They say they dont want regime change, they want the conversation. Iran. Many more males than females, extremely high unemployment, very youthful population. When you have so many young men who are then angry financially, were pro pressing the people not the leaders, theyre living fine. If you notice what happens, the way iran does, unlike in our country, thankfully, what do they do . They arrest the violent people, people disappear, they torture people. Then what is the solution. We need to help them rise up. A deal thats not going to happen. Hillary clinton chose not to Pay Attention to that rise. It made it complicated. Almost tacitly said to the government, so repacious in terms of how it treats its citizens, lock Em Up And Kim Kill em. We had an opportunity on get in there. You know, youre a veteran, a military we had the opportunity and did nothing. To do it with peace, but we sat on our hands while they were
how do we know . Weve never verified it, never inspected, there was never any inspections to have an inspection you had to have already evidence that there was something going on. How would you have that evidence if you ro not allowed a pathway in. You wouldnt. They got to collect the samples. It was a complete joke from start to finish, where am i wrong there. You arent wrong at all, it was a pathway to a deal that enriched that regime. Look at the gdp of iran, it spiked after that deal significantly, they used the money they had, used the viability they got in advance. That brings them to a weaker position. Debate with them when theyre weak. I want to ask you about what the word Sincere Means and whether president obama could tell us. Maybe that was in a side deal. President trumps legal team prepping a Response Letter to special Counsel Robert Mueller over a possible interview with the president , what they are asking for and whether mueller
will agree. Another big day in the Paul Manafort fraud trial after Bombshell Testimony from his former business partner, rick gates, what hes saying today and how a possible conviction could affect the president. Well discuss that ahead. Alright, i brought in new max protein special Counsel Robert Muellers star with it, rick fates, is back on the stand today in the rick gapts in the fraud trial of Paul Manafort. Gates calmly described how he and manafort committed crimes together, concealing accounts from the irs and falsifying bank documents. He confused to Embuzz Ling Hundreds Of Thousands of dollars from manafort filing false expense reports. Gates is expected to face crossexamination by Paul Manaforts Defense Attorneys keen on damaging his credibility. All of this having, right now, so far, nothing to do with the president. Paul manafort, a lot of information, by rick gates. The Paul Manafort avoidance trial, paid for my taxpayers, nothing to do with russian collusion. Most people you go around that dont live in the media bubbles could absolutely care less. All about Rolling Manafort, all about Rolling Manafort to get to
the president. Ill take the other side of that. Just a second, this Ukrainian President , who is out and facing his own problems, was known to have aided some pro russian people within his government to allow attacks on his own people, technically. Super corrupt. Horible that. s where a lot of this money was from, for manafort. The minute he was out of power, manaforts finances started to dry up. Does any of that matters . Were learning how consultant the corrupt group is in washington, d. C. The money drys up domestically, they go to other regimes that will pay tons of money for a little bit of influence. It is the way d. C. Elites, on the left and the right, what about tony podesta, he did it as well, same deal. You see how the case i laying out as you said, though he made an absolute fortune overseas from people connected to the
russians he tried not to pay tax on it, the money dried up. Thats laid out. Its clear, seems like, its hard to dispute that. What we are missing and what we need next is the link. Was there some one who then tried to use him, because hes under financial distress, to infiltrate the Trump Campaign, on the part have the russians . Theres no evidence so far, no one has even said that. But thats where this would matter. Thats the link that we need and we havent seen it. Without the link you can still accomplish what shes talking about, though. You can pressure manafort and pressure those people who are under the microscope but they have to lie and say there were people they havent done that already . Theres plenty right. When President Trump, or thencandidate trump hired manafort, manafort has extensive experience working with george w. Bush, ronald reagan, one of the last ones that helped before, at the contested
convention. Thought at the time there might be a contested convention for republican, which was in part the reason why President Trump irrelevant hired him. He fired him once the ties to ukraine came out about Paul Manafort. You could argue, everyone knew he was a bad dude, he Shouldnt Have hired him. But you also look at it from a purely political standpoint, there was reason to bring him on, on the team. But, look, manafort is a bad dude, we know that now, but none of this has to do with President Trump. Unless theres a lirng. Thats what we need to see. Do we know enough about, i think we dont, how hard the fbi might have tried to let the Trump Campaign know they were looking at Paul Manafort for years and years and years . I mean, its not like the authorities didnt already have this on the landscape, right . The authorities. It would come from them. Well, we know that the president was briefed, before he became president , after the election. After the election. Pete, i want to Say Something to your point. Wont bring up collusion and concentrate on this. This isnt manaforts only go, though, in court. Right. Mueller might be doing the right thing following illegality but hes not doing his job. We didnt send him this could have been done by the Justice Department without a Special Counsel. All of it. All of the indictments. You dont know where the facts go. Two years later we dont have his playbook its on the front page of the New York Times f they had anything it would be a1 for two weeks. Youre basically all saying the same thing if you look at it. We see the connection between a and b b and c. Now we need to see that last binge. Between a and c . No, between the criminal behavior that happened with regard to this tax evasion and the connection to russia. Then how something in there caused the pressure pressure to get influenced in the campaign. If theres such a thing. We havent seen that evidence yet, if it exists wed love to
see it. Back, again, your preferably before noon. [laughing] President Trump weighing in on a competi