Process. Its been messy after nearly two year long special counsel probe knowing they will fight all the subpoenas targeting his current and former aides. Here is the president. The subpoena is ridiculous. We have been, i have been, the most transparent president and administration in the history of our country by far. We just went through the mueller witch hunt, and they came up with no collusion. They actually also came up with no obstruction. I say its enough. Get back to infrastructure, get back to cutting taxes, get back to lowering drug prices. Really, thats what we should be doing. Melissa one of the People Democrats want to hear from his former white House Counsel don mcgahn. Mcgann was measured more than 150 times in the Mueller Probe and he allegedly told investigators of the president asked him to fire the special counsel. Today the white house confirmed that they may assert executive privilege to stop mcgahn and others from testifying. Democratic house judiciary chair jerry nadler suggesting that is illegal, saying in a statement that attempts to assert privilege revs that were more active obstruction by an administration desperate to prevent the public from talking about the president s baby. Juan, this is what im confused about at this point. Very basic how can they be obstruction of justice of their was no underlying crime . What justice was being obstructed if there is no collusion . Juan you dont need an underlying crime for obstruction. You can go talk to even Rudy Giuliani, a very good prosecutor here new york for a lot of the mafia criminal stuff. You dont need the underlying crime. If people lie, if they obstruct your effort of a criminal investigation, thats obstruction. Melissa but how can they obstruct investigation of the something that didnt happen . There is no evidence of collusion at all. Juan not sufficient evidence for an indictment is what mueller said. Melissa youre talking about obstruction. On collusion, he said no american anywhere in america colluded with the russians. Juan correct. But what he is saying also if you read the report, you see that russia clearly interfered to the benefit of donald trump. And the Trump Campaign was not, is what mueller said, personally involved in encouraging or doing it. But they were welcoming to it and i think thats what you are seeing. What we are seeing today is very interesting because i think its a huge constitutional crisis that is brewing. I wonder of course, he didnt assert that when muelo me again. So its hard for him to come in now and do it. But he could do it and sibley say, you know what . Lets fight it out in the courts, gentlemen. Itll be a slow walk, will be the middle of the 2020 election 2020 election. Which is basically already starting. The other thing is that the democrats could raise the stakes, melissa. If you want to play hardball like that, maybe we should go toward impeachment. Melissa katie, how can there be a cover up if there is no crime . Katie before andrew mccabe, was the deputy fbi director, was fired he said the president never made any effort to obstruct any kind investigation pray that nobody was intimidated at the fbi for looking into any of these issues when it came to russia. Weve been hearing for years that special Counsel Robert Mueller would not be able to finish his job, wouldnt be able to complete the investigation. He has. What this is about as democrats want to change the narrative from collusion and obstruction to, look, he obstructed according to the Mueller Report, even though william barr cleared them on that. And hes obstructing justice. By asserting executive privileg privilege. Im not really sure what democrats are really looking for when it comes to what theyre trying to get out of these witnesses. Are they really going to issue 2,000 subpoenas with hundreds of witnesses to speak to . I dont think so. This is about them trying to change the narrative to the president obstructing as we go to another election. Its not unprecedented for a president to assert executive privilege and it certainly is not a constitutional crisis. Barack obama did it, george w. Bush today, president s before have done it. Its not new or unprecedented if President Trump is that as well. Juan after the fact, because he has already katie its not new and its not something juan but in this circumstance it would be unprecedented. Melissa lisa, let me ask you obstruction, if you dont leave the right hanging out there by itself, the whole phrase, obstruction of justice. What justice was obstructed . Lisa there was none. He repeatedly said there was no collusion. What a dumb arguments. If we had ten more hours with don mcgahn we would have gotten to the truth . He testified for over 30 hours. Its a sham. Im so sick and tired of the talking point of this is about russia and get into the bottom of that. Democrats dont care about russia and its been abundantly clear since president obama laughed in the face of romney when he brought up russia during the 2012 election. When there was the hot mike moment of him telling the president he would have more flux ability after the election. The Mueller Report plainly states that russia was trying to interfere since 2014. Obama did nothing about it. There were reports that he didnt do anything about it because he thought that Hillary Clinton would end up winning the election. Obama didnt do anything about it until President Trump won the election, then he ordered of the intel report and put sanctions on russia, in my opinion come at the time President Trumps hands politically. So democrats dont care about russia. This is about harming and tarring President Trump. Melissa one point that im a challenge, lisa, i think they care about russia now. Because it cost them an election. Dont you think they care now . Elizabeth President Trump has been extremely tough on moscow. Really tough on them with sanctions of all sorts of military and intelligence officials, over ukraine stopping arms shipments there. The democrats want a 1973 john dean Televised Senate hearing to embarrass the president. The American People, the polls show, by politico and cnn, they are saying to move on. This is done. That President Trump is protesting his innocence and its far different from the bill clinton impeachment hearings, when there was an attempted cover up. Trying to get Monica Lewinsky to swear to a false affidavit during a federal Court Proceeding and a grand jury probe. Its far different. Bill clintons impeachment proceedings, 11 impeachable offenses here. The American People are saying, move on, he was protesting his innocence. It seems like the American People were saying, wow, there is no collusion. We are relieved by that. And there are only 12 laws enacted, signed by the president , so far over this congress. They are in deep trouble, the House Democrats. I know Mitch Mcconnell is forger 40 laws passed. Katie if you look at the Mueller Report and you look at what the russians actually did, their number one goal was to spread misinformation to put americans at war with each other rhetorically. To fight it out. Its working, its been working. When people like adam schiff or jerry nadler continue to investigate an issue that has been resolved for this 2yearlong investigation, they are continuing their efforts by the russians, ironically, by continuing the narrative against the white house and trying to so discourse within the country. Lisa there was also the disinformation document the democrats dont care about. Juan epic is important to understand that the president is acting in a way that would block a constitutional responsibility of the congress, which is that elizabeth but theyve gotten everything they wanted. Juan hang on a second, liz. Let me speak for just a second. Elizabeth they got everything they wanted. Juan just a second. We read in the conservative editorial page of the wall street journal is that this president is now attacking don mcgahn in such a way as to suggest that mccandless misled mueller. And thank you, don mcgahn, for saving this president from hurting himself. By firing mueller. You talk about an active obstruction, he tried to fire the special counsel. And then says, no, i didnt. And that mcgahn is the problem here theres a lot to be resolved. Katie we will certainly be talking about this going forward. Something else now, new reaction from the president s lawyer as the former democratic rival ways and on the Mueller Report for the first time. Hillary clinton claiming that anyone other than the president would have been indicted on obstruction of justice charges. I think there is enough there that any other person who had engaged in those acts would certainly have been indicted. But because of the rule in the Justice Department that you cant indict a sitting presiden president , the whole matter of obstruction was very directly sent to congress. Katie and here is how giuliani responded today on fox friends. There is a woman who really obstructed justice. The president didnt delete 33,000 emails. He didnt have someone smash up telephones and he didnt have someone wipe out a server and believed it. Among the few things that she did. There used to be a doj standing policy, you cannot indict a clinton no matter how much they obstruct justice, no matter how much evidence they destroy, no matter how often they lie, and no matter that they committed perjury. You cant indict a clinton. Its against the democrat Justice Department rules. Katie melissa, you are furiously writing notes over here. [laughter] melissa i would just say that if you watch barrs full when he stood there and to the press conference, and i was captive on a plane at the time so i was a captive audience with nothing else to do. He said that he specifically said to mueller, is the reason why you dont pick its appropriate to indict the president because you believe that you cant indict a sitting president . And he said, no, thats not the reason that i dont think its appropriate here. I think there isnt enough evidence. So Hillary Clinton was wrong on that point. Boldfaced wrong, and i would say it that if we go down this road comparing the clintons and everyone is sick of that, you make the comparison to what bill clinton did, he was trying to cover up the fact that he had had this affair with this woman. Thats what was going on. I would just ask, what was President Trump trying to cover up . Collusion with the russians . No, there was no end of that. Juan then melissa, why did he lie about the trump tower meeting . Why is he trying to fire the special counsel . Not only did he lie about it, he got his son to lie about in terms of what he wrote in that memo explaining the trump tower meeting. Katie lets talk about what Hillary Clinton said. Melissa lets do juans thing for a second. If they had a meeting, Donna Brazile is the one who said those folks reach out to them all the time. If somebody said to you they had Opposition Research on somebody else, everybody takes those meetings. Juan not from a foreign government, melissa. A foreign government, its illegal. By the way, this is why you see that mueller, in terms of obstruction, sent it off to congress to do their job. Katie there still questions about how she got into the country since she was banned from being of the country and given the special visa. Back to Hillary Clintons comment isnt it quite rich, coming from a woman who shared top secret classified information on an unsecured server, which put lives and spies in danger all across the world, for United States and american citizens, would then be saying the president should be indicted for this . Lisa she is delusional and arrogant, obviously peer thats what Rudy Giuliani pointed out and you did as well. According to the russian attorney she met with fusion gpss Glenn Simpson before and after the tower meeting. I wonder what they discussed. If you want to talk about russia here, again, the way that russia spread disinformation is through the dossier. No one seems to care about that. Also, you look at Hillary Clinton, a lot of members of Congress Previous members, including trey gowdy are brought up the fact of how the clinton people were treated versus President Trump. You look at them, they told the fbi they didnt know about the server but we know that wasnt true. Elizabeth the problem with this story is people are focusing on details like you just did, without focusing on the other details in the Mueller Report. It appears that there no preexisting contact between russia and senior officials of the Trump Campaign, and there were attempts to connect with senior officials and it didnt happen. They struggled to connect and it didnt happen. So you cant say things in isolation without the broader context of what the rest of the Mueller Report is saying. Katie juan, a quick glassware to you. [laughter] juan the russians were proven to train a jiffy to spread the propaganda that melissa and others have talked about the term can pay not only welcome the the Trump Campaign not only welcomed it, they invited them up to the trump tower for a meeting because they heard they had negative information. Thats illegal. I hope you can appreciate that. Its illegal. You dont take information from a hostile foreign power in the midst of an american election. Lisa what about paying for it like Hillary Clinton did . Juan for what . Lisa paying for information from russia officials, which is what Christopher Steele did for the dossier. Katie weve got to go. Joe biden gearing up to officially announce his president ial bid, and he is the favorite to win the nomination. But is he really the best bet to defeat President Trump . We will debate it up next. Plus, the number of apprehensions spiking, already surpassing the totals for alt last fiscal year. This, as mexican officials worn of a mother of all caravans heading to the u. S. Will this finally convince congress to act . Thats ahead. Hopes you drive safely. But allstate actually helps you drive safely. With drivewise. It lets you know when you go too fast. And brake too hard. With feedback to help you drive safer. Giving you the power to actually lower your cost. Unfortunately, it cant do anything about that. Now that you know the truth. Are you in good hands . Lets see, aleve is than tylenol extra strength. And last longer with fewer pills. So why am i still thinking about this . Ill take aleve. Aleve. Proven better on pain. Melissa a new showdown could be looming at the border. Reports of a massive caravan of about 10,000 migrants heading toward the u. S. The group has been described by mexicos interior secretary as the mother of all caravans. Its expected to arrive in mexico city later this week. In the meantime, the number of apprehensions that the board are spiking. Federal agents have detained more than 418,000 migrants so far this fiscal year. More than 404,000 in all of the last fiscal year. President trump tweeting about the latest caravan, saying, a very big caravan of about 20,000 people started up through mexico. It has been reduced in size by mexico but is still coming. Mexico must apprehend the remainder and will be forced to close that section of the border and called up the military. The coyotes and cartels have weapons in the meantime, House Democrats have asked a federal job dont want judge to block the plan to build the longpromised a wall along the southern border. Juan, what is your reaction to the numbers coming up and what do you think the right solution is . Juan i think its a crisis, but just my saying that word becomes political because the president has been saying it is Something Like a military crisis. You just saw in that tree, melissa, hes talking about sending troops to the border. Again, i think its a different type of crisis. I think its a humanitarian crisis that has escalated and is out of control. Largely not people who are invading us were threatening us, but people who are families who are seeking legal asylum. So weve got to find a way to deal with this. We can change the laws in congress with regard to asylum, we can assign more people to be judges and try to speed up the process so it doesnt just get hung up, but i think the president i noticed today he was pointing out that mexicans trooper had disarmed some american troops and were going to have to deal with the people involved is that there was a mistake made about who was on what side of the border. Lisa that the problem, theres no decision juan some kind of armageddon everything he wants to blow up so he can help his political agenda, which is to build a wall. I wish he would have mexico pay for. Katie can we talk about why he is sending additional troops or wants to send additional troops . He wants to do that because of the humanitarian crisis we are seeing. We have this caravan of 20,000, but in el paso alone, they are getting that many people in five days coming into the processing center. Think of it that way in terms of the numbers. Melissa we dont have Border Patrol katie overwhelming numbers, they been taken off the front lines of the border