James and Jennifer Crumbley largely seen as not to remorseful in their testimony at trial tried to turn that around today but they lost. Their son, ethan, serving a Life Sentence after he pled guilty of four of his classmates a horrific story we covered that have been more than two years ago on November 30th he was 15 years old at the time. Today we listen to these for shooting testimony of what was lost by the 60yearold tate myre, 14yearold hana saint juliana, Madisyn Baldwin and 15yearold justin showing. For our family it is not time to celebrate. This tragedy has taken away an incredible toll on our family. I find myself watching her and thinking how lucky am i, im the one who gets to be her mom. What did i do to deserve a perfect person . They say time heals all wounds. We are coming up on two and a half years now and i can assure you that the wounds are still as fresh as they were on that tragic day. I will never walk her down the aisle. As she begins the journey of starting her own family. And i am forever denied the chance to hold her or her future children in my arms. It is so heartbreaking watching these testimonies and listen to this morning from ethans mother, watch. Your child can make a fatal decision not just with a gun but a knife, a vehicle, intentionally or uninten unintentionally. If theres anything the general public and take away is this could happen to you too. Martha this could happen to too she says, the five cohosts and a garrnney who wraps up the action today from chicago, watch. Hi, martha, one of the arguments prosecutors made throughout these trials and sentencing is that the crumbleys showed little to no remorse over the actions of their son and as you mentioned both jennifer and James Crumbley tried to change that by saying how sorry they are about what happened. But for the judge it was too little too late and she agreed with prosecutors noting the crumbleys had unrestricted access to the gun and it coucharacterized themselves as martyrs, ignored their suns spiraling Mental Health problems and enable his actions by ignoring all the lovely Warning Signs. Speak of these convictions confirmed these lack of acts that could have halted an oncoming runaway train. About repeatedly ignoring things that would make a reasonable person feel the hair on the back of the neck stand up. Those Warning Signs included disturbing drawings the teacher found on ethans math test with a gun, a Bleeding Shooting Victim and the thoughts the thoughts wont stop, help me when School Officials called telling the School Counselor it was considering suicide. About Hearing Voices saying i actually asked my dad to take me to the doctor yesterday but he just gave me some pills and told me to suck it up. It at the point where im asking to go to my daughter, my mom laughed when i told her. Today, Family Members of the victims spoke directly to the core leads about that. Because you decided that you didnt want to parents and listen to your son, he took the route we for me to be a mother. You have filled your son and you have failed us all. Instead of acknowledging any mistakes, they continue to show no remorse. They can take no accountability. The and their lawyers continue to try to change the narrative and portray the defendants as victims of the prosecution team. 2 separate jews from both james and Jennifer Crumbley guilty of involuntary manslaughter, theyve now been sentenced to n they will be Filing Appeals and their cases. Martha thank you. George couchie watch that judge understand today but these 2 people away for 10n15 years. Did you agree with her decision . Absolutely degree agree with her decision. When i was the da i convicted a parent of allowing a child access to again that gun was used to kill another child. So in terms of this is a mass shooting down this is the first of its kind but there are prosecutors like me around the country will have done similar kinds of cases. The issue is whether or not as a society we are willing to recognize that we have to go beyond just the liability and responsibility of the person who does the shooting to whether or not there is vicariously liability or a Special Relationship of the person who was providing the gun. In some cases it can be eating and abetting. Where you are not the person wisely does the shooting but you are an individual who has a Special Relationship, in fact, an obligation as a parent or guardian to make sure that your child is, you know, protected and in fact and if a parent does not care for a child the parent can be prosecuted. So why is it taking a solo as a society to recognize that when you have a deteriorating mental illness, a child whos asking both his mother and father to see if dr, he says hes seeing blood everywhere he talks about getting again, his father gets the gun, theres a picture with him with a gun, he goes to school with a gun, the school because her parents and their parents take north possibility and the same day the kid takes the gun and goes and kills 4 innocent people. Its too people want to rely on this kind of sophisticated well hidden and pull the trigger. He only got that gun because of his parents. And his parents were on they had knowledge. They had reason to foresee that this would happen. But more than that in any situation you can foresee it this child was sending messages of blood everywhere. He was talking about the fact that he was seeing his close flying all over in thehe house. He had just lost his grandmother, he was a mess. The school knew he was a me mess. The School Called the parents. The parents have responsibility here and for those people who were concerned about slippery slope, its time for parents to recognize. You have an obligation to the rest of society to protect them from someone you know can be a danger to them. Martha let me ask u what about the school . The school could have kicked him out that day. Lets put up the drawing that he had drawn, that we have for people to take a look at. It says the thoughts wont stop. Help me. Its a picture of a gun, blood everywhere. We were heard of cases where schools go overboard but your child went like this or this is very different. What about the liability for the school . Wedding and they just say story, you have to take him home. I dont care if you have worked that he opted to come up. Know youre talking about a beloved liability, a civil case. It up to the parents. I believe they have a case. They new the child was in danger, they new the child had written suicide, thats why they called the parents. And when the parents did not take the child out of school that day, the school then becomes a look local parameters which is what all the democrats want, you know, where with the parents when we have your kids were martha the gun was in his backpack and they went into his classroom when they wanted him to leave with his parents and brought the backpack out payment based on what theyre seeing on this math im drawing, this that the school have the right to open the backpack and inspected . Absolutely. They had reasonable cause to believe that there was something dangerous on based on its history, based on what he was saying and based upon the fact that they were all concerned. Martha its a great point ththat you make because we hear so much about schools wanting to be in charge of these kids, right, but then had to take the whole responsibility and clearly they couldve said, you know, youre expelled. Hes out s without. Take him out. Black mark such a tragedy got unbelievable. Judge, which have you with us. To see you on the five. Later this hour leads ellen and dennis gatto on the is breaking out of an assault on new York Police Officers this afternoon at a target here in new york city. And mark eason on the Tall Mountain of abortion in the fiercest fierce battle between former President Trump and senator Lindsey Graham where mark said his party should stand in 2024. Veteran homeowners need cash but worried you cant get a home loan because of your credit . Heres great news. At newday weve been granted automatic authority by the va to make our own loan approval decisions. 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Former President Trump says restrictions on the procedure should be up to the states. South carolina senator Lindsey Graham says he respectfully disagrees seeing that most of the civilized world has a National Limit up to 15 weeks memo to former president responding in part senator Lindsey Graham is doing a great disservice to the Republican Party and to our country. At first he wanted no abortions under any circumstances that he was up to six weeks were he allowed abortion know he is up to 15 weeks where youre allowed abortion but what he doesnt understand or perhaps he does is the radical left democrats who are destroying our country will never approve anything that he or the republicans won. They want the issue, you want to keep us going as and he goes on about the d of groovy weed and his post. So heres senator Lindsey Graham today. I think trump is right insofar as estate and as that child develops i think the American People find a consensus around 15 weeks to the right to limit abortion. Sure thing will it will be a debatable continuation america how should we get there . Its not about your girlfriend, its about the world and the good news for me i think is most americans are where i am at some emotional issues cutting president from was a good prolife president and will stay with us. Martha interesting Lindsey Graham has been a long time ally of the former president and he went after him in a big way in those posts on true social last night as he tries to define where he believes the party needs to be on this heading in tthe election. With that we bring in mark eason, former speechwriter for president george w. Bush and Washington Post columnist and a fox news contributor. Always good to have you with us. What do you make of this with clear Dividing Line between the current lead candidate for the gop in the president ial election and his former ally senator Lindsey Graham . I dont think its his former ally anything valid from tends to use looks like mark shot is freezing up there. We have mark back . Can you hear me . Coming in a little in and out there. Lets try it one more time. Go ahead. Okay. Look, Lindsey Graham has his heart in the right place but he is wrong and donald trump is right and heres why. There is donald trump is being honest with prolife voters in saying there is no chance that a 15 week abortion ban is going to get passed by the United States and its because you need 60 votes to do that. You have to overcome a filibuster and theres no way the Republican Party will have a Keyboard Filibuster would majority anytime soon. We dont even have the majority right now and were trying to get back. So it would be an mp promise to say we are going to pass a 15 week abortion ban at the federal level but at has not stopped democrats from them regarding the issue. Trenin has said that donald trump was a federal ban on abortion were nationwide. And biden in the senate for decades mimicking know thats not true, he knows how to filibuster works but hes trying to do it anyway because thats the only issue he has. So what trump has done is he is boring being honest with the voters. He is he has been paying the issue from democrats, they can no longer say that he wants a federal abortion ban because hes taking that off the table. And hes enabled republicans to now go after democrats and point out that they are the abortion extremists. The democratic orthodoxy used to be abortion should be saved, legal and rare and it was a necessary evil. Now their policies federal taxpayer abortion up till the moment of birth. Is way out of step of the American People so never bump the focus on that rather than defending a ban at the federal level that is never going to happen and most americans dont want to happen at that time. Martha weve heard a lot of things along the way and the evolution of former President Trumps stands on this. And i think its fair to say that a lot of politicians have evolved under issue on this issue over time to the best its very difficult to navigate in this country. Heres the former gop candidate nikki haley and what she said during the campaign on this. Watch. I think that there is a place for a federal but they need to tell the American People the truth on how you get there. The only way you get a federal law is if you have a majority of the house, 60 senate votes, and a signature by process. So no republican president can ban any state law and ban abortions, anymore than democrats can barn banned state laws. So what should we do . I think we find consensus. Martha you know, your thoughts on her stance which sounds fairly similar to former President Trumps stands right now. It sounds like everyone was feeling nick hailing nikki haley for saying that but when donald trump said something similar all of a sudden hes a prochoice radical. First of all the only reason we can ban abortion in any level is because of donald trump because of the Supreme Court, he was only president and six they could perfect record of Supreme Court appointments which gave us this right. And second of all hes right, we have to fight this out of the state and we have to do it an incremental way. We have to and of rural was not the end of the fight, it was the beginning. We have convince americans over time of the sanctity of unborn life and the will take incremental level at the state and if you do the opposite way they will elect prochoice democrats and it was sent back the prolife cause even more. And said this is a state issue, it has to be decided by people closer to the issue in their own states. Some states will be very conservative on it, some states will be more liberal. And they claim that was exactly what the felt should have been now that they got what they wanted and they want to go back to some sort of blanket federal decision on all of this. So we e will see where it goes. Thank you, as you would always. Take care thank you. Martha all right, heres a story that is pumping on social media getting a ton of attention. A chair flew off a rooftop bar, one of the many rooftop bars along broadway in nashville in the chaotic moment leading to country star Morgan Wallace arrest. We will not show you the arrest video and what happened on the rooftop later this hour. Hes a rockstar. Is trying to be a rockstar. Why not . Im a huge Morgan Wallin fan, like, you which and its very upsetting. Like what the heck, you know . 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