So he lied about that . I didnt say that. Did he ask you they would be nothing wrong if i did say it according to everybody i read it today, but i did not say that. Did he ask a pledge of loyalty from you . No, he did not. Would you be willing to speak under oath to give your version of 100 . I hardly know the man. Who would do that . Who would ask a man to pledge allegiance under oath . I mean, think of it. I hardly know the man. It doesnt make sense. No, i didnt say that and i didnt say the other. Katherine if anybody thought wed have a more subdued trump now that he has a lawyer, they were wrong. Eric that was amazing. Weve been talking about it was going to be that way. And either 1 of 2 things happens. He either has tapes, which i doubt they do or he wont produce them, or there it is. There is your stalemate. Comey said trump lied. Trump is saying in essence its been nine lied is a despicable newspaper, the daily news. Want to see a great example of media bias . June 8th, 2016, this was their headline. Look at the difference of these two headlines. I mean, come on. Give me a break. This is fair and balanced journalism . I dont think so. We are down to this. He said, he said. The house intel community, everybody wants to know where the receipts are. Are there tapes . If they do exist President Trump refusing to say yea or nay on it. June 23rd is the day. Eric he was pretty definitive that he didnt say the things that comey did, right . Katherine he stopped short of flying. Eric lets say there are tapes. Eboni hopefully. Eric lordy. Eric if hes willing to say that definitively, i dont know. I cant see a situation where comey is right and trump lied. Eboni they are going to make the argument that other is interpreting. The tapes, eric, will let all of us, the john q public eric i cant believe he would go out there and produced tapes. Eboni he didnt mean it like that. Katherine all right bro lets meet todays specialist. He was named a mover and shaker in a Campaign Election magazine. Hes the founder of wpa intelligence, also the former director of ted cruz for president , and he specializes in politics and public affairs. Chris wilson is here. And he is the former host of fox news channels redeye, hes a barbershop singer with Jimmy Fallons ragtime gals quartet, incidental comedian but specializes is being a mean dad. The same name, tom shillue is here. Welcome, everybody. What is your biggest take away from trumps speech today . Its going to be a he said, he said, i thought yesterday when i watch these benign testimony, ive never heard a man talk about his feelings so much as the former fbi director. Eboni waking up in the middle of the night. I felt he was saying this. My feeling is, of course, you know when you arent going to be able to say definitively and you cannot call somebody a liar when they have different interpretations of things. And trump he always has many ways you can interpret him. And so, you arent going to nail them down on any of it. Eboni he speaks in tweets, ive noticed. He said, no obstructions , hs a leaguer. Make America Great again, build a wall, boom, boom, boom. You are right, tom. I think thats the thing about it. Everyone that was hoping and praying for that moment yesterday from the comey testimony, they were never going to get it. At best, its open to interpretation and nothing we heard yesterday points to a direction from the president. At best, its a suggestion for now coming from the commanderinchief, you can say is a very strong suggestion that many people wouldnt feel comparable going against, but ultimately we know that james comey did go against it and kept moving with the investigation. Katherine i was surprised to see him the 90 loyalty thing. I was being what james comey said yesterday, for democrats to play this as anything than a full vindication it is unfortunate for a few different matters for the democrats try and continue to score political points off of it when its clear that russia did try and affect our election. Its also clear that they are trying to continue to affect elections and other countries. As democrats turn this into political gamesmanship rather than doing a full eradication into russia is just nothing more than a distraction. There is no investigation. We just dont know how far the administration is, second, third, fourth level down democrats trying to make it about trump, it obviates the ability to do a full investigation on who it really is. It defeats their own purpose to try to get a good bottom line whats going on in the administration. Katherine ebony, as a lawyer watching trump and the rose garden, whatever your advice to a eboni thats vague. I dont think trump did anything too bad for him he was more effective in the rose Garden Market cap of its i thought trump was a better advocate for himself today then we saw yesterday. Eric i am blown away that most of the mainstream medium today, i watch a lot of networks, they were so focused in on this was a terrible day for donald trump donald trump, james comey called him a liar, and they werent focusing on this, this, what comey did and i know eboni is going to get to it in a little bit. I found it appalling that the fbi director leaked information. Think about this where one second. If he thought the information was not satisfied and if he thought it wasnt that big of a deal, that he could go ahead and give it to the New York Times, why didnt he do with himself . Why didnt he just say, hey, i want you to know whats going on. Instead, he has to whisper it to an excolleague who is a law professor and say, leak is to the New York Times . I think theres a lot more there. This is cya himself two days after he got fired. Katherine do you think he was lying about their loyalty or he misheard . Eric i think he was only being political. When you have an opinion about anything any testimony, it was negative for trump. Everything that was factual . It was straight down the line. Any opportunity he had to, he would take trumps legs out, it was only on the opinion stuff. I was worried about him. He made me nervous. Katherine there were some facts. Eric by the way, ive been in the oval office with donald trump. Ive been in the white house with donald trump. He doesnt make anybody nervous. Ive been in there one on one with him. [laughter] eboni let me ask this, eric. Two comeys, you know, going in on trump. Did he get any credit ability points for james comey when he also turned the fire against Loretta Lynch . What was your take on that . Eric my take is i think he did it because he was sworn in. I tell you, you are going to hit on this later, but i can get in a lot of trouble for this. Katherine one of the biggest question still looming is whether tapes exist of President Trumps conversations with james comey. Heres the exchange where President Trump was pressed on it today. Do tapes exist of your conversations . Well, i will tell you about that sometime in the very near future. You seem to be hinting there are recordings i will tell you about it in a very short. Lack of time. Okay. Do you have a question here . When will you tell us in a fairly short period of time. Are there tapes, sir . You are going to be very disappointed when you hear the answer, dont worry. [laughter] eboni you cant watch it and think anything else. Eric hes like a magician. He wants you to tune in later. Yeah, i think its hilarious. So i thought, i felt when he tweeted that out, i think the original tweet was director call comey better hope there is no tapes. Eightweek can be anything, right . Katherine what else can tapes be can make any thoughts . I think we see why hes able to make the transition from real estate mogul to reality tv star to president of United States. He knows how to get peoples attention and hold it. Eric think about this, though. There are tapes or there arent tapes. If there are tapes, he must listen to be tapes. He was very definitive in the rose garden singing, i never said that. I never said those words. I never asked for a loyalty pledge and i never saw the other things about looking the other thing on the flynn investigation. If there are tapes, those tapes would prove him to be a liar in the rose garden. I am guessing there are either arent tapes or no one is ever going to see the light of day. Katherine im starting to feel like there arent tapes. Whatever, you are going to be disappointed. I will be disappointed if there are no tapes. [laughter] eboni i think america will be disappointed. Or, eric, the other interpretation could be he says, yeah, when i said flynn was a good guy, let him go, dont give them its going to rest on this notion. Eric he was very specific. Did you ask for the loyalty pledge from comey, he said absolutely not, i did not do that. There is no gray area. Katherine why would comey lie about that, eric . Eric i dont know. Katherine if you lie to take someone down, make up a lie what he does something illegal at least. Eric why would comey leak. Why would he leaked extra tempering his notes . Why would he give them to the New York Times . Because it would look bad for donald trump. Washington post went ballistic. We have an extemporaneous note after the meeting, and he asked number one, speed they made trump look crazy for a few months, a couple of weeks. If there is a tape, it still would not be definitive. People would listen to the tapes and they would continue to interpret them on their own way. Katherine thats true. Eboni i agree with that. Katherine no other way that some people are so excited and other people are like trump is toast. I watched the exact same thing. Eric the daily news tomorrow morning going to put comeys picture up here and go liar across the front . Eboni thats your into rotation, eric. Eric basically donald trump, back and forth with Jonathan Karl from abc said, i didnt do it, that would make comey the lawyer. Katherine trump was careful to not go that far. He mightve misremembered it, he thought he said that. Eric comeys picture with liar across the front, please. Katherine if he was going to lie on purpose, you think he would come up with something that was actually bad. Or something not completely appropriate, but something that was actually illegal. I dont know why he would lie and make that your life. Thats what doesnt make sense. My favorite moment of the testimony was when marco rubio said, why did you not . Thats what all of america was wondering. Why is the american katherine hes very tall. Unless the fbi director didnt think in that meeting was in fact illegal. He didnt find a reason to speak up, which would put the onus on the Mainstream Media and the left spending months after months after months of trying to figure out what went on. Eboni or ever call he is the ultimate Political Animal and he would use it when its best to his political expediency. Eric either one of those two scenarios could be true and both of them katherine well, it is james comey in legal trouble after leaking his trump memo to the New York Times . Eboni dives into the case next. Shake it to the front go around shake it to the left are upgrading their watere filter to zerowater. Start with water that has a lot of dissolved solids. Pour it through britas twostage filter. Dissolved solids remain what if we filter it over and over . Oh dear. Thank goodness zerowaters fivestage filter gets to all zeroes the first time. So maybe its time to upgrade. Get more out of your water. Get zerowater. Eboni welcome back to the fox news specialists, and this is the docket. James comey accomplished with a lot of things with yesterdays testimony. Exactly what . That expends stomach depends on who you ask. He put a huge cloud over his head. He admitted he leaked his infamous memo to his good friend and Columbia University professor and then instructed him to pass it along to the New York Times. Now comey claims he did this to make sure that an employment of an independent special counsel to the russian probe would happen, the plan clearly worked like a charm, hence the appointment of robert mueller. Along with that political comes a mountain of understandable legal scrutiny. Did comey break the law with his selfproclaimed leak and it did he reach privilege leaking a conversational conversation with the president . Surely thats what lawyers will assert when he makes his complaint looking into this with the doj next week. Lets look at this Million Dollar question. Is comey leak a crime . First, when comey shared his memo, he was no longer a government employee. Number two, the information within comeys memo was not classified. Number three, theres nothing that indicates them demo contains anything about National Security. For the privilege issue, we know comey was not acting as trumps lawyer and annie beverages did exist, trump waved to them repeatedly disclosing the contents of the conversation. Comeys actions dont meet the Legal Definition of a leak. I do not like the way jim comey pushed out this information. I wouldve had a lot more respect for him if he had just been straight up and directly given the memo to the oppressed. But as shady as his actions were, legally speaking, his actions may come in the clear. Why not just give it up yourself . Eric im not buying this, this whole i buy your docket. I get the definition of leaks. Here is my problem. A professional, ethical standard needs to be set. Did he violate either of those . Maybe not a legal violation, but professionally and ethically, did he violate . Would he apply the same rules to his agents . Is it okay for an agent to take a memo, often fbi computer about a meeting they had on work hours and leak that to the press . Im guessing that would be an unequivocal know. We can find this out if this part of the law. A lot of times when you can go to work for different groups and agencies, you have to sign a nondisclosure payment and nda. If he signed an nda, he clearly violated the nda. Eboni i dont know if he signed an nda, lets talk about your issue with the record. A lot of people on social media are debating. It was absolutely a record here. That memo pertained to his work as an fbi director, he talked about it. It was a legal record. But because he released it when he was no longer operating in that capacity, thats one of the reasons its not going to be considered a legal eric if they let this go under the guise of no law was broken, its going to be open season on leakers coming out of the agencies. Eboni thats why i think people are giving him backlash for the way he did it, right . If he said, i dont trust us for whatever reason im going to write it down and hand deliver it to the New York Times and say, this is my experience, does that bother you . Under that scenario . Eric it does at well, but on the opposite side. Eboni do you feel there is any point where you say i felt encumbered with this and not get backlash . Katherine no, i dont think so, necessarily. But this, eric, talking about the people in the agencies . That would be a different thing because they are still working for the government. Obviously the way he handled it eric lets say they leak. Katherine okay, it wasnt cool, wasnt morally way . Was a cool way to handle it . No, it doesnt. It certainly break some sort of broke code but it doesnt break the law. Eric leaking information that could be detrimental to the United States. Katherine not a fan of that. But doesnt break the law . Not really. Intelligence agencies are dealing with a lot more than someone whos not working there anymore leaking something where nothing was classified. Eboni eric brings up a good point. Once the information is deemed to be detrimental to the United States, thats a different standard. Thats why comey is in the clear, that wasnt the content of this memo. But lets say it was. What you see it differently . Eric no, i dont think there is any legal issue here. I dont think trump thinks there is. Hes been complaining ever since he was sworn in that nobody is talking about the leaks. You hear him say it. Why arent we talking about the leaks . This is a way to talk about the leaks, the legality of it there and in the end might come when he knows there are no legal issues, but he wants us to discuss it because everyone is thinking, thats right, the fbi is the guy doing the leaking. It is asked me trump playing the press. Eboni in trumps tweets, one thing is comey is a leader, wow i dont know what the legal violation of it being cool or not is, but his lawyer goes too far. I also think that we as the republicans have to be careful bushing this too far. Theres a big difference between leaking classified information that puts the letter states in jeopardy and people going out talking about things you may not want them to talk about. There may still be a weaker and they should be fired for doing that, but they shouldnt be cross of prosecuted. It is not like reality winner who put information that put the United States in jeopardy. Its an important difference and distinction we have to deal with because we as republicans start making a big deal about what comey did. But at that level, we downplay one and elevate the other. Eric eboni, can we do this . May be the status of classified needs to be relooked at, any conversation you have with the president of the United States should be classified . Eboni you are talking about executive privilege, which i wanted to talk about, eric. When you have those types of conversations with a sitting president he enjoys executive privilege just by the nature of it. The problem is with privilege, like the attorneyclient privilege, if you breach it, its fair game. Thats the problem. If the president is talking about his conversation with jim comey, so once he does not, even if there was a privilege auppercaseletter , which i think trump good was generally argued, hes already been breached. Eric i dont think trump was ever talking about those specific he didnt really tweet about it until after jim comey said, by the way, i have a memo that i took after a private meeting with the president s. Eboni comey would argue that the response to the president tweeting read to her that was a response. No, the tweet came after he said i have a memo. Eboni then he leaked. Right. He said i have these tapes and comey actually leaked at the following. Is that right . Eric i am not sure about that. Katherine i think so. Eric but trump i dont know what