United states and hes not going to threaten japan and hes not going to threaten south korea. No, thats not a dare, as you say, thats a statement of fact. Kat President Trump double down on his previous fire and fury statement against north korea. Frankly, the people that work questioning that statement, maybe it wasnt tough enough. What theyve been doing and what they been getting away with is a tragedy and it cant be allowed. Kat thoughts . Dagen there have been so much made about the president s comments when the upset denier should be a bit north korea. I think you are hearing from President Trump all of his advisors, cabinet secretaries, that there is the approach of telling north korea and the west, the rest of the world, that we have a military option available but also using sanctions and diplomacy as well. Its a twopronged approach. Youve got, if youre going to use carrots, you have to use sticks. Thats what the president is saying. Kat i am very mad at north korea but im also concerned bad, bad, bad north korea. Im a little concerned about that kind of rhetoric to be prompting them to do something to us first. Lisa i think its overblown. You look at what secretary natta said. He was confirmed on the 981 basis. Hes known for being a brilliant military strategist. A student of history, who echoed the same thing, saying north koreas actions could be the end of the regime and the destruction of their people. Saying something thats very, very similar. This is a guy whos not afraid to buck leadership. We saw that with president obama over the iran deal which is part of the reason he was relieved of his duties at central command. Kat time to meet todays specialists. Founder and president of goofriend specializes in law and politics. David goodfriend is here. She is a political independent was worked on campaigns for republicans and democrats. New york times best selling author and an independent conservative after years of work at the Community Organizer on the left. Specializes in the psychology of politics. I like that. Very, very interesting. Tammy, whats your take . The fire and fury, are concerned by me it might be giving kim jongun some ideas. Tammy what we are seeing now is donald trump using their language. When you are thinking about business negotiations or political diplomacy, its about making sure youre speaking in a manner that your counterpart is going to understand. They would understand the fire inferior comment more than anything else. I can allay your fears about how kim jongun might respond. Yesterday the wall street journal noted that the threat was unusually specific to Andersen Air Force base in guam. They have always made threats against us but they were vague. This was specific. Today the New York Times reporting thats changed to attacking the waters. Thats a very different dynamic than in fact specifically targeting American Military and of course the american citizens on guam. None of that is acceptable because once youve got the missiles going, we are going to have to respond. When it comes to rhetoric and what the North Koreans would understand, this is the point that had to be made which is that hes not obama. He is not clinton. Hes not bush. This is different, and its serious. They have to take it seriously. If kim jongun doesnt understand that, perhaps the people around him do. China now understands this will be very different. Kat we have seen china have a bit more of a response ever since President Trump has started talking like that. David its very troubling. Lets be serious. This is real peoples lives, americans lives. The missile crisis president kennedy face, this is serious stuff. Im trying hard not to try trying hard not to turn this into a political tit for tat. Robert underwood, head of the university of guam and i talked to him today. He said we are american citizens. We feel like we are being treated like hostages. We are being threatened essentially by both sides. President trump says go ahead, lets see what youve got. These are american citizens who live by our laws who were occupied by the japanese during world war ii. I think it would be really useful to point out that this is not just some island out in the middle of nowhere. These are americans. This is american territory, american citizens. Imagine if it was your state. Go ahead, hit california. Not good. Having said that, the one thing i want to add, tammy, we are best when we are united. When we present a united front, thats when we are strongest. You have the senate, chairman of the Senate Armed Services committee and ben cardin. Openly critical of how the president is handling it, not good. I wouldve loved to see diplomacy here at home with President Trump reaching out to congress in forming a unified front. Lisa do you place that same criticism on secretary mattis . David yes, i think the fact that we have open dissent in the United States and we are facing a Critical National secured emergency is shameful. I dont think thats unique to President Trump. Dagen you mention republicans. Its shameful that youve seen this mild outrage about a few words from the president. From the left, democrats. David and senator mccain. Dagen also a lot of members of the media if they have blown it out of proportion. To tammys point, to quote the wall street journal editorial page, this is communiststyle language. There is a message to the there is a method to the messaging. As much as the democrats have loved diplomacy which has not worked, there are tough, tough things we can do with china in terms of trade. The u. N. Agreement over the weekend does not touch oil imported into north korea from china, refined products. It doesnt really address a lot of the foreign slave workers that are overseas. Lisa did you ever think that maybe their criticism is political or some of the coverages political . If you look at a lot of the actions President Trump has taken, the deployment of thaad, u. N. Sanctions, getting russia and china on board as well. The sanctioning of the chinese bank. President trump has taken diplomatic and economic actions as well that are very positive. Trying to push back against north korea and you dont really hear a whole lot of credit given to him by the critics such as yourself. David i will give him some credit. I want to Say Something nice here. Hold on. Dagen brace yourselves. Al gore was somewhat complementary of the president. David okay, i want to Say Something nice. I thought President Trump conducted himself well in this afternoons press conference and i do think that was the style of rhetoric, that was the style of engagement that i would like to see out of our president. Dagen if i could add, there is a method to the process. You are keeping the North Koreans on their own heels. Your hearing statements from President Trump about fire and fury, comments from secretary tillerson and mattis. One thing he said during the campaign and recently was he doesnt want to telegraph exactly what we are going to do, but there has to be a verbal response to the North Koreans because thats what they do understand. At the same time, the chinese know a very specific dynamic like the thaad system in south korea. That has a powerful radar. There are concerns that could see into china. They are worried about massive refugee problems on the border. A few months ago they moved tens of thousands of troops to the north korean border. If you have a unified korea, they know that means the United States will be on their border. This is what china is concerned about. David we fought a war about h. Tammy we did, and its not even over. Its under a ceasefire. This is what i think the president has to realize. Theres a lot of reasons for them to do nothing but the biggest reason to do something is to end the madness, protect the United States which means guam as well, and the people of guam know whats going on. This is the first time theyve heard a man who is the commanderinchief who is governing versus placating the enemy. Lisa mentioned that sanctions. Dagen there is so much more we could do, the world could do, in secondary sanctions. Companies in china to do business with north korea. Even mike pompeo said in the Security Forum this would have been in july, he was talking about separating, if you want to call it regime change, call it that. He was talking about separating kim jongun from his missiles. He would be a great thing to denuclearize the peninsula to get those weapons off that but the thing thats most dangerous is the character who holds the control over them today. Mike pompeo was messaging that. Weeks ago. Tammy is not just north korea. They are working with iran. Iran has this technology. You might have cut off the money through sanctions but iran has millions of dollars courtesy of us. Also dealing with issues of al qaeda, isis, pakistan. Its broader than north korea at this point. The money comes in from multiple sources, money that we cant necessarily control. Kat its obviously a delicate problem. Thats why i think so many people were kind of thrown off by the fire and fury comments. If i hear any president , no matter who they are or how i feel about them, saying something it seems that could be an incitement to nuclear war, im going to say what was that . Im going to be concerned. Lisa i read that statement of him saying if you attack the United States, be prepared for whats to come, not saying we are going to kat he used the word threat. And then essentially they threatened guam so i guess if he meant what he said, we should be going after them now. I dont think we should. Lisa there is a heightened tension in a heightened sense of fear because of social media. Dagen its not what the president said. Its im watching my five favorite movies of all time over the weekend because the world was coming to an end. These are prominent individuals. Kat movies. Thats what i think. Im going to watch all the movies. Lisa there is so much focus on the rhetoric but not a lot of attention given to the actions and reasonable actions taken by the Trump Administration and the winds, the u. S. Resolution. People want to focus on the rhetoric as opposed to, im not against the rhetoric. I think secretary mattis, a reasonable man, deep thinker, echoed those statements i think it was intentional from this administration. But i do think there needs to be more of a focus on the action. Kat i think you can do both. Ive given him full credit when i liked the way hes handled certain things, including north korea, putting pressure on china. Thats great but it doesnt matter how my feelings are about your otherwise, a lot of those things hes done have been great. But in terms of this specific language. Language does matter. David weve used this name a couple times. China, for a long time, whether it was president bush, president clinton, president obama, what made this situation, complicated is china. Donald trump, i think hes trying to show the chinese that this time hes serious about cracking down on trade, currency, the trump card, if you will committed theyve always used as north korea. Maybe thats a brilliant strategic play. I hope it is for all of our sakes. But if its not, if it turns out to be a miscalculation, and now we have china to worry about, its a whole nother ball game. Tammy one more psychological dynamic, hes looking at this serious of whether or not kim jongun and the North Koreans will hurt innocent people. Think of Otto Warmbier, the horrible dynamic of that man coming home braindead, almost like a slap in the face of north korea. Have your kid back. Hes dead now. Thats what i think informs the president. The nature of the regime, whether or not they are willing to hurt innocent people. President trump, i think he knows the impact of that. I think that probably has impacted his view of north korea. Dagen asymmetric outrage where the left gets upset about a few words but the president but not upset about an Otto Warmbier being sent back here to die. Kat i dont know. It seems like there is so much more to discuss on this topic. Up ahead, President Trump is speaking out for the first time about the fbi raid of Paul Manaforts home. Usaa to me means peace of mind. We had a power outage for five days total. We lost a lot of food. We actually filed a claim with usaa to replace that spoiled food. And we really appreciated that were the webber family and we are usaa members for life. Ssports trophies now. Sports trophies have changed, our standards havent. Made with premium cuts of 100 kosher beef that every athlete will love. Hebrew national. We remain strict. Dagen supporters of President Trump have been slamming an fbi raid on the Virginia Home of Paul Manafort. A short time ago, President Trump address it. I thought it was a very, very strong signal or whatever. I know mr. Manafort. I havent spoken to him for a long time but he was with the campaign for a relatively short. Of time. I thought it was a very they do that very seldom. I was surprised to see it. Ive always found Paul Manafort to be very decent man. Dagen President Trump responded to the state of the russia probe overall. We have a situation which is very unusual. Everyone said there is no collusion. We have a senate hearing. We have judiciary, intelligence, a house hearing. Everybody walks out, even the enemies, no, no, theres no collusion. They are investigating something that never happened. Dagen tammy bruce, i thought his comments about the Paul Manafort raid which was predawn, very extreme measure by the fbi. How measured the president was. Tammy the whole press conference i think he had a very good centered sense. He is dealing with life and death issues. I am not awake at 6 00 a. M. Im sure a lot of shows, a lot of wonderful shows on fox news. Some of the leaks, there been many leaks about this event that either would have to come from the special counsels office or lawyers. We learned they knocked on the bedroom door to get to mr. Manafort. I think the moment the grand jury was impaneled, every Single Person who wouldve fed concerned about or is under investigation should have made sure they had their really nice pajamas on from that day forward. This is expected. Paul manafort, carter page, michael flynn. This is not surprising. For the president s attorney to chime in this way, the more significant charges that they took privileged and confidential information that he had worked on with his lawyer. This was the day after he spoke to the Senate Committee which means he wouldve been preparing a great deal. A month after, he belatedly filed as a foreign agent. All of this happened within that framework and the last point, they had inherited this investigation from u. S. Attorneys. This wasnt from the beginning. They come in a lot of ways, are acting on an investigation that had already developed the information they felt they needed to move on. Dagen kat, judge Andrew Napolitano has talked about this at length. He said this is the greatest weapon of the fbi and the special counsel, a weapon of a last resort. It is a dramatic move. Kat it is a big deal. I know some of trumps lawyers think this is for shock value. Judges dont give out warrants for shock value. Ive never been a judge but i do know that much. Everyone is so quick to say this has never happened before. Look at how biased the judges are and the investigators. I know a lot of the investigators are biased. I definitely admit that. A lot of them are clinton lawyers. When its something this extreme, you have to stop and think okay, probably maybe he did something that had never been done before. They wouldnt be going to these links if there was nothing there. Just for show, no way. David i think tammy put it best. When we had a former fbi director named special counsel, what did you expect . This is pretty much par for the course. We have a president of the United States was the subject of a criminal probe, along with his family, his closest advisors. What did we expect . I will point out that when my former boss, president clinton, was being investigated by a special prosecutor. The Monica Lewinsky investigation grew out of that. The real wild card is what is the special prosecutor going to find . Everything that has happened so far is perfectly predictable. Lisa to tammys point regarding the leaks and the information, i find it concerning. Kat is right. We need to believe this is nonpartisan and theres not a political lens mueller is wearing. When you have information like this Service Command raises doubts. Thats a concern. We are at a time where americans do not trust institutions in this country and that damages the trust. Dagen before you go on, i will point out that the fbi agents, if this is done specifically political purposes, to raid Paul Manaforts home, they put themselves in legal jeopardy. We must point that out. David and we have to point out mueller himself is about as trusted a man as america can produce. He was a republican appointee. He had a lifetime in Law Enforcement. This is the Gold Standard for basic Law Enforcement straight down the middle. Lisa i certainly hope so. I do find the leaks troubling. I think a big problem right now is there so much information we dont