Warn Illegal Immigrants of a recent ice raid targeting violent criminals. The democrat tried to present her defiance law justice normal which it most certainly is not. Throughout this journey with this new administration, we are navigating the complicated power relationship between local, state, and federal governments. And thats part of the beauty of our constitution, thats part of the beauty of our democratic form of government. Its not that complicated. But her case for harboring Illegal Immigrants was further undercut by deadly developments in denver. Inside those flames is a 57yearold man trapped inside the cab of his semitruck, hit by a suspected drunk driver. Denver police say ivan ran from the crash leaving the driver to die. Authorities say the 26yearold is also in the u. S. Illegally. U. S. Immigration and customs agents want to deport him back to mexico but the Denver Sheriffs Department in charge of the jail is refusing to detain him should he post the 25,000 bond telling fox news that unless ice gets a federal criminal warrant it, quote will not honor civil detainers as it is considered unconstitutional. Lets discuss all this with immigration attorney allen ohr who is joining us from washington. Allen, thank you for coming in this beautiful evening. Thank you for having me. You are a very accomplished immigration attorney. When you see these stories and hear about, this whats wrong with trying to protect americans by taking people that are not only here illegally but that are committing crimes. Criminal element. What i would love to have in the few minutes we have together is talking about the criminal element. The criminals. Not everybody, just out criminals. I just think that criminals is such a small part of the large group that you are trying to isolate and even with the case that you sort of spoke about tonight with the dui, the hit and run sort of case, the fact that he is an immigrant had nothing to do with the actual accident its a tragedy and we understand that the fact that he is undocumented didnt have much to do with that. Doesnt it have everything to do with it if he is indeed here illegally and he indeed committed that crime, dont you believe that crime would have never happened if we had actually locked down the border and he never came across our borders illegally. Thats absolutely preposterous. As we all know hit and runs are on the klein line all over the United States. If that person is not in the United States, if is he not here in the first place, you are telling me that he still would have committed that crime in denver if he didnt absolutely. Thats a fallacy to say all people undocumented not here we would not have hit and runs. I didnt say there wouldnt be any hit and runs. I said that person, if he did do it, wouldnt have killed that other person who died in that truck accident. Thats a possibility of extremities. A possibility . Thats a reality for that family. Is it not . Once again, it is an absolute tragedy of what happened to the family in that incident. But, a hit and run is Nothing Specific to immigration itself specifically. It is if the person that committed it is here illegally. Right. We are actually a little bit past that we want to talk about the detainer and why the courts arent turning him over because a constitutional issue to be charged and why detainers dont work. The court has told you colorado is telling that you it unconstitutional for them to hold them if he makes bond. Im not buying into that argument by the way. Its a constitutional argument. Its about law and order in this country. Therefore, since we are going to withhold the constitution the if they want to hold him they need to give him a criminal detainer not a civil one. Wait a second, just last week jennings vs. Rodriguez in the ninth circuit determined that you detain somebody if they are here illegally, can you detain them. Thats the confusion of the circumstances. Not an issue if you can detain them. Its how long can you detain them which is a due process and constitutional issue. The Supreme Court. The Supreme Court did not say you could hold them indefinitely. What the Supreme Court said they didnt agree with the reading that california said it would be six months and i know you are not the attorney in this case but based on the facts we are seeing in the news report. Do you think th the denver sheriff should hold this person and let ice know that he is there so that they can detain him rather than releasing him out into the streets of colorado . I believe the International News and newspapers, ice knows that he is there, right . Thats not the issue does ice know he is there. They station somebody outside the door . Do you think denver sheriff has an obligation duty when they are asking, ice is asking to have him detained, do you think they should do that or not do that . Well, the denver has asked them to give them the criminal reason for why they should detain him, which is a constitutional right, so without giving that information, they are absolutely correct. Ice is saying we have reason to believe. We have probable cause. There are 11 Million People that are here undocumented. Its a civil penalty. It is not a criminal detention. So its not a matter of having each and every person. So what you are sort of Say Something you are going to pick everybody up and put them where . Im talking about the criminal element. Again, 80,000 times under president obama there were people that were here illegally committed another crime, got convicted of those crimes, and rather than deporting them, they released them back out into the United States. Do you think thats a problem. What exact crimes are we talking about . Everything from homicides. Talking about Civil Penalties or drugs . It shouldnt matter. It shouldnt matter . Really it shouldnt matter . Its everything from homicide to rape to duis . I think thats the extreme end of it. It could also be a traffic violation, a speeding ticket. Those rare anomalies that. They are not rare anomalies to the people who are killed or maimed or the victims of these crimes. Why should we tolerate even one of them . Or any other i want where the person is a u. S. Citizen, those things are still anomalies. Im not talking about anomalies. Im talking about people illegally here that credit crimes. Once they are incarcerated, they are being detained why not deport them . What is the case to say its better interest of Public Safety to release them back out into the United States . So that is not exactly what colorado said. What colorado said was please give us the criminal reason why we should detain him, not a civil reason, and we will do so. What is so hard for the federal government to provide the state with the appropriate information to meet the constitutional burden to hold someone beyond the national time. Im telling you during the obama administration, there were 80,000 times where criminal aliens were detained and then they had a choice, america had a choice, president obama and his Justice Department decided to and his Homeland SecurityDepartment Release them rather than support them. Deborat them. Thats history. Not talking about the obama administration. We are Trump Administration and a year into that. Donald trump is trying to do the right thing and mayor of oakland saying no, we dont have any you shouldnt help. And the legislature in california is saying you shouldnt cooperate. We are talking about the constitution. We are talking about constitution unfairly detaining someone on a civil penalty. Right . Why cant the federal government provide the appropriate documents to meet the standard that the state needs to detain the person . Thats a simple thing to do. They can detain them. Have you places like california and sanctuary cities where they choose to just release them rather than cooperating with ice that is not what california decided to do. What is not what the mayor did. The ice didnt say ice is coming to you. Here to the general public, this is what is taking place, dont be afraid no. Need to run and hide. Like a public announcement. No, it was a call to go run and hide. It was ice, hey, guess what, we are coming after the criminals, if you have got something coming for you, guess what ice is coming your way and they did hide. There were 121 arrests during this raid. And they missed a couple hundred other ones. What crimes have these people actually committed and what are you doing with them. We will give you a list. Listen. Thank you for joining us. I appreciate the discussion. Even President Trumps critics are now praising his diplomatic coo with north korea. Could the u. S. Still be walking into a trap . Walking into a trap . That debate in a moment. It can detect a threat using ai, and respond 60 times faster. It lets you know where your data lives, down to the very server. It keeps your insights from prying eyes, so theyre used by no one else but you. It is. The cloud. The ibm cloud. The cloud thats designed for your data. Ai ready. Secure to the core. The ibm cloud is the cloud for smarter business. You know whats not awesome . Gigspeed internet. When only certain people can get it. Lets fix that. Lets give this guy gig really . And these kids, and these guys, him, ah. Oh hello. That lady, these houses yes, yes and yes. And dont forget about them. Uh huh, sure. Still yes xfinity delivers gig speed to more homes than anyone. Now you can get it, too. Welcome to the party. Jason President Trumps Bold Decision to become the first sitting president to meet with the north Korean Leader is drawing praise even from his critics. Trump get credit for pushing north korea, to make concessions such as suspension of testing. The answer, i think, is maybe he does. Engagement is good. I have been calling for direct talks for more than a year and so that is a positive development. President trump can truly solve this problem. That would be going down as a great president. There is no way around that that is the relate here. Many in the media have also warned the president is potentially walking into a trap. But the administration is assuring everyone they are not letting their guard down. As the president said, progress something made, a meeting is being planned. But the world should know this north korea should know this. All options are on the table. And we will continue to apply mexico mum pressure until north korea abandons its Nuclear Program once and for all. Jason President Trump weighed in this evening with a tweet. The deal with north korea is very much in the making and will be, if completed, a very good one for the world. Time and place to be determined. Lets discuss how the president should proceed with larry for the center for American Progress and fox news Foreign Policy analyst kiron skinner. Thank you both for being here. We really do appreciate it what are the perils what are the problems and what are the challenges . What mine fields potentially lay out there . Larry . Well, i think the real question is what are your preconditions . And what will happen when you make a deal if you do. For example, lets say kim agrees to give up all of his nuclear weapons. The question is how are you going to verify that . It takes a couple years to set up an inspection regime as we saw in iran and even then the president doesnt think its that good. North korea is much more difficult to inspect. What will you do if you dont come to an agreement . Then what next . Because kim has been legitimized. I mean, this is a ruthless dictator who does horrible things to his own people. Enough to you have met with him, something he has been trying with the last four president s who turned him down, so he walks away with something. I think those, you should have thought of that. And even today they kept sending different messages. Some preconditions. No preconditions. You know, whats your plan . Normally, when you have heads of state meet, you have negotiators ahead of time work out things. You do believe that the president is doing the right thing and that he should actually take this meeting. Oh, yeah, i think he should. I think he needs to do it in the right way and lessen the risks. Jason kyron, whats your take on this . Is the president doing the right thing. I disagree with the way larry has presented it. I dont think the dangers and pit falls exist as many of the detractors are trying to say at least for this reason since 1992. We have had discussions going on with the north koreans at lower levels of the government. They ended up incon cliewivelg way. Because we are dealing with authoritarian regime. Really a totalitarian leadership, its important that the top of the u. S. Government be involved in the initial discussions with the north Korean Leader. So what looks unconventional, i think really reflects the reality of the failed policy of more than a couple of decades. And were going in to this, maybe there are different messages coming out of washington and out of north korea as a result of this, you know, unusual announcement and unusual approach. But the fact remains that the u. S. Remains committed to degrading north korea. Its going in with a history behind its back and having learned lessons of all the faferls of negotiations in the past. Larry, how do you why do you think we even got to this position . It seems like the one thing that has changed is President Trump. He has actually taken a very aggressive stance. He has used unconventional communication, if you will. Dont you do you give some credence to that or is there any belief that that is actually what drove the north koreans to the table . I think there is two things. One, he has reached a point where he is ready to go nuclear. Since President Trump has come, in he has had 22 tests, various things. So he is where he wants to be. And the question becomes now what next . And if he is willing to give this up, even if you can verify the question what is he going to want in return . Is he going to ask us to take our troops out of south korea for example . Those are questions that we need to think about before we get in there. Quran is right, wcarekiron is. You dont want lower level person making a mistake. If he does it its very hard to undo. Does it matter where it happens . You want to get to the substance of whats happening. Where should they do this . I dont think it really matters. It would be, i don appropriaten the korean peninsula. Send a major signal to the asian partners if it happened there. Let me speak to the point about the president and making mistakes. The president is not going into negotiations with kim jong un. He is going in to discussions and talks. And if you go back to the reagan administration, there was no possibility of getting the First Nuclear disarmament agreement of the cold war had it not been for reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev building a personal relationship and talking and reagan talking with other russian leaders, such as during those years. I think we have got to also give the president a kind of wide latitude here because he is just going to talk. And begin to lay the groundwork for the negotiations that will follow. Yeah, but reagan never did it without George Schultz and wineberger. Tils said yesterday he didnt think we ought to have negotiations. The president contradicted him. Thats what i worry about. What kind of message are we sending . Its not unified. Jason i think its a positive step forward. I thank you both for your expertise on this topic. Thank you for joining us tonight we have update out of california. Coming out of our Los Angeles Bureau. There has been a hostage situation we have been reporting on fox news and we have will carr who is in our Los Angeles Bureau to give us an update. And, jason, we have just learned from our correspondent adam housley from two different members of Law Enforcement that all of the people who were being held hostage are now dead, including the gunman as well. Evidently, according to our adam housley, the numbers are a little fluid with this. But it does sound like its been a tragic ending to a long day. There on the ground. We will take you back. This started around 10 00 a. M. This morning. When a man walked in to the largest Veterans Home in the Country Armed with a gun. He walked in to a dining room. There was a party going on. He let some people leave. But he held a number of hostages. That led to police swarming the area. They shut everything down. There was a swat standoff. There was a hostage negotiation. They tried to negotiate. We know that they could not get in touch with the gunman for a long time. And now, again, our adam housley reporting that the gunman is dead and at least two of the hostages dead as well. They are trying to figure out if, indeed, there was a third hostage as we have been reporting throughout the course of the day, jason. Jason will carr coming from california some tragic news. Thanks for your report. We appreciate it stay with us, because newly released audiotapes raise new questions about the Police Response to the Stoneman Douglas school shooting. A student survivor who permanently met with the president , President Trump yesterday joins us with his reaction next. Jason the deputy who lost his job for not confronting the Florida School shooter apparently did not tell the truth about his response. Deputy Scott Peterson