This mans life, this is how we treat our heroes . Because he didnt remember a fact. Lying, and the fbi didnt even think this guy lied. This is wrong. And i am worried that we have one Justice System if youre a democrat or hillary and another for the rest of us. Laura or cheryl mills. Sean i agree with you. I think again our viewers, people across the country, a lot of this stuff is just complicated, theyre addenda and redactions and trying to follow what the substantial assistance flynn gave, we dont really know. Thats all kind of actioned out. Sean remember this is all information they obtained illegally against general flynn. Laura also, it wasnt collusion before the election to throw the election to russia. At least what we know thats out the window. Thats certainly nothing to do with flynn. I think thats what people have to keep their frame around, the frame of reference and the timing of what theyre saying. A false statement is never good. You cant lie to investigators, but you also dont use these scam special counsel investigations to go trolling on this Magic Mission to try to find wrongdoing where it doesnt exist. Thats what ive always been concerned about. Sean i think he deserved better than this. Laura i agree. Sean thanks so much. Im Laura Ingraham this is the ingraham angle on a very busy news night here in washington. This show has it all for you. We have politics, culture, startling rejection of history. But first breaking news as i just said in the Mueller Probe as the sentencing documents against former Trump National security advisor Michael Flynn just dropped. These are heavily redacted revealing among other things that flynn provided substantial assistance and gave 19 interviews, sat 19 times before the special counsel and other doj investigations. Now as a result of flynns cooperation, mueller and his team are recommending no jail time. Its important to note, the documents presented tonight do not provide specifics about what exactly mueller has learned from flynn. Only that he provided documents and communications. Now what issues those communications referred to tonight is anyones guess. Remember this has been a saga that has enveloped the entirety of Donald Trumps presidency. In the process destroyed as sean said this good mans life. Even if flynn does serve no prison time, the judge agrees with the prosecutor here, imagine how his life has been thrown into complete tumult . And for what . Was this 18 month process good for the country . Are we better off . Did we stave off future russian involvement in our elections you because a three star general had to bow to the special counsel and their helpers . I think we have to go through this methodically tonight and were going to do this. Real questions remain and real questions must be answered as this Investigation Continues to move forward. Although it looks like its wrapping up. Two moan who have been studying this report, former deputy at this time independent counsel and white water investigator Saul Weisenberg and Fox News ContributorJason Chaffetz and Victor Davis Hanson a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and author of the forthcoming book the case for trump. Saul lets start with you. Your thoughts after reading these documents . Well my thoughts are first of all, the general would have received probation no matter what. Whether he cooperated a little or cooperated a lot. Like you say the key parts of how he assisted have been redacted. What stands out the most is that a lot of people thought mueller was going to use the sentencing memos to tell the world about his case because hes afraid that his final memo may not be publicized. He didnt do that here. In fact he showed remarkable professionalism by keeping redacted, he could have said here is how he helped and it could have been a bombshell and he didnt do that. To me thats the big take away. The memo is a did youed because all the good stuff is redacted. Laura jason, here is part period of time memo it doesnt impose a term of incarceration its is important and warranted. I guess its the meaning of substantial assistance. Well you can be polite. You can comply. You can answer all their questions. Donald trump has answered all their questions. Hes been as open and transparent as anything p i think saul is right there was no bombshell in here because theres no bombshell its that simple. If they had him on collusion with russia to affect the election absolutely they would have gone after him. Laura he pled to two counts of lying to investigators. But thats a process crime. He should have filled out the proper paperwork. Were not here to excuse it. But its the inconsistent application of the law that drives everybody crazy. I can count i cant tell you how many people came before the Oversight Committee when i was the chairman and they lied to us. We referred it to the department of justice and said were not interested. Then with donald trump you betcha, theyre gonna go after they gave immunity to Hillary Clintons closest advisors. Laura i forgot that until tonight. In fairness to mueller thats not his jurisdiction. Mueller has a specific thing hes supposed to look at. Hes not supposed to look at cheryl mills. But hes not looking at collusion with russia on the election. This stuff happened after. Laura vdh i want to get you in on this. The actions were talking about here, his conversation with the f fbi, that they didnt believe included lies. They did not believe, including petr strzok who did the interview with flynn. He went back to headquarters and they didnt think he lied. Those were the 1001 violations, lying about his conversation with the Russian Ambassador whether that conversation included a conversation about reference to easing up on the sanctions or dont go crazy on the sanctions, in other words were coming in were going to get rid of the sanctions. Apparently he either misremembered or wasnt forthcoming on that. It didnt go into well what happened before this in 2016 . Were you setting up some deal to make it easier for russia to interfere in our elections . Which again is what the special counsel was set up to examine. That type of collusion. Even with the redactions, when it comes to flynn at least, there wasnt any collusion on his part. The question is, were there any other figures associated with the Trump Administration or Trump Campaign that could be still as saul alluded to caught up in this dragnet . I think just as historian i look for two things in these mueller stories, one does the logan act appear . And one is the fora act appear . When that appears it tells me they dont have anything. Only because well only had two people prosecuted on the logan act. John kerry all of august and september met with the Iranian Foreign ambassador in paris and he admitted they were discussing the iran deal which is against the president and the administration. Nobody called that a logan violation or at least seriously did. We have the swamp in washington, everybody is dealing with foreign agents, theyre representative governments. Christopher steele was a foreign british subject and he was supplying data to the Hillary Clinton campaign for money. And he was seeding it throughout the government. Nobody talked about the agents there. And then more importantly, in that document, theres worry that flynn was working in a way that was unethical with the turkish government or maybe with the russian government. But it had no effect because when donald trump came in, when you look at russian sanctions, the oil policy of the us, increasing production, arming ukraine, attacking russians in syria or whether it was ending the obama romance with turkey we were much tougher on turkey and much tougher on russia. And finally, i mean if you want to reduce everything, you get down to one point. All of these stories, the surveillance, the entire collusion comes back to the steele dossier. That was the source of the fisa warrants that was used in part at least to collate testimony with surveillance. We know now that although they said it was a bought document no one ever told the fisa judges it was paid for by Hillary Clinton. Nobody told them Christopher Steele the author of that had been let go as unreliable. Nobody told the fisa court judges that the news reports were circular and based on the dossier itself. So that was kind of a poison tree. A lot of these people said things in numerous testimonies, not knowing that that would be collated with a surveillance. And then we get into the unmasking. So, finally, and this is finally, 25 people in the doj or fbi have been reassigned, chose to be retired or were fired in association with these entire mess. Nobody is talking about it. I cant think of any time in us history where the two top intelligence agencies, the head of those agencies, jim clapper and john brennan, not only lied under oath, to a congressional committee, admitted they lied under oath and had entire exemption. So i know its not you tube all the time but thats really disturbing that we have this mueller track and then we have all of these violations it that, so when mueller starts or sanctimonious and logan act and fora act and government officials have to be above the law, well yeah. But thats not happening. So were losing confidence. Laura it is kind of rich. It is. Laura it wasnt mueller himself but what preceded mueller to set up this entire investigation from the beginning. Saul weve gone over this meticulously, the reference to his military service, his exemplary Public Record how common is that in a sentencing document such as this . Taking that into account as a mitigating circumstance . It seems to kind of make sense. Its very common if youre the defense attorney sending the memo and its common if youre the government and that client has helped you. But i wanted to say one thing about flynn. Theres nobody in town who really believes that flynn would have pled guilty unless mueller had something against one of his family members. Theres. Laura threatened his family members. Right. Thats often done by prosecutors. I dont know of anybody who thinks that flynn would have pled if that wasnt out there. We just dont know what that is. I do want to say in muellers defense there is a mention of the logan act here but mueller does not say in any way that flynn violated it. Laura throwing that in there but the other thing to keep in mind. Laura come on is that mueller does say, he doesnt say what it is, but mueller does say that flynn provided Important Information about connections between the Trump Campaign and the russian government or attempts to make connections. All im saying is youre right he doesnt say that flynn did that but he does say that flynn provided information. Again if theres nothing there, that may be one reason mueller is not talking about it. Or it may be that mueller is a professional and its not appropriate to release that information. Laura theres a lot of redactions here. The left is going crazy, donnie jr. , its speculation, over drive the tonight on the other network. Laura the conclusions all in the redactions. No, lets declaration. Laura delusion collusion all in the redactions. Jason we go to what Victor Davis Hanson said. We have proven instances of blatant lying to cover up how this whole thing started in the first place. Lying to federal judges. And i say its lying. When you dont reveal who actually started this whole ball rolling on the dossier, thats a lie. I still think the fisa judges should be a lot more angry about how this all went down from the beginning. From that spawned this entire investigation. From that filing and that surveillance spawned this entire thing. Period. It was an absolute fabrication. They took they planted stories. Remember a big part of this. Laura its like a circular deal. Write that and put it in fisa. Plant the story, present it to the courts. I do think the house judiciary and Senate Judiciary if Lindsey Graham is going to do his job bring up the fisa judges, have them explain how this process works. They wouldnt let us go to attend one of those meetings and they wouldnt let us talk to those judges. There was clearly lying, misinformation. I know the Inspector General is still doing an investigation of that fisa laura when is that going to come out in the. Probably not until mid next year. Its going to take way too long. But the bottom line with mr. Flynn he didnt have the financial means to fight this. Laura i would say. That saul you referenced that and jason picking up on. That he of doesnt have a lot of money. I mean when a Prosecutor Says do you ever want to see your wife again . Your son is, you have an of grandchild. Hes never going to see your grandchild. Hes going to go to jail for the next 30 years. Dont worry r its scary for most people. But he never he had competent the tent counsel he never would have gone to jail. If he had fought this and lost he never would have gone to jail for a significant period of time for offenses like this. Laura 1001 statements in an article he wrote for the hill on turkey. They didnt have anything. This guideline range of zero to six months he would have had that no matter what. That would have been his guideline range. Whats going on here is there was Something Else. There was a threat that was made against somebody. Laura his son. Here is Something Else though. You can believe two things at the same time. You can believe there was the seat of the fisa court and that should be investigated and people should be ron desantis if they have the found to have lied about that. You can also believe that mueller should be allowed even if you dont think he should have been appointed that mueller should be allowed to continue his investigation and not be attacked every day by the president. You can actually believe those two things. Laura i dont think its helpful to attack mueller every day. And i dont. I tend to look at what they produce. After 18 months. You got this guy in a vice grip for 18 months. This . I mean, unless those redactions are really like knock your socks off, maybe they will be. I dont think they are. Laura i dont either. I think this is a big zero i think this mueller thing and what they did to flynn is disgusting. I want to talk to you about this d. J. H. What they did on the turkey issue which is getting almost no play tonight on the other networks. They actually cited, he said the foreign, the far ra act, what is it, the defendant made a second series of false statements to the doj concerning his contacts with the republic of turkey specifically on march 7th, 2017, after he was no longer in the administration. The defendant made materially false statements in multiple documents that he filed pursuant to the far act pertaining to a project he and his Company Performed on for a principle of the republic of turning ri. Apparently the false statement was well it was more directed by the government of turkey than you let on. He wrote a piece in the hill about that minister the president of turkey wanted back in turkey. That was in march. I find this to be this is it . You have the far ra . I think this is ridiculous, im sorry. I think what i dont believe that you should attack the special counsel but what mr. Mueller is doing, hes criminalizing the status quo behavior in ush washington. Thats what Washington People do. What we have to ask ourself did it have any effect . When trump came into office they reversed the socalled special relationship that obama had developed with turkey that gave us in part the Muslim Brotherhood in egypt, et cetera. Trump was harder on the russians, hes harder on the turks. If you had said 18 months ago 30 million ago when we were told there was a new dream team, these it were the all stars, these were muellers army, all this gushing about these wonderful eye have i league lawyers et cetera, if you had told them we were going to start with this bang and end up with a women per, they were going after jerome corsi of info wars and roger stone, i think the New York Times would have we want and been humiliated. Thats where we are now. 18 months later were going after minor characters, that have also been infringe activities and theyre supposedly going to drop the bombshell. Every day we hear bombshell, bombshell, bombshell laura tonight it was victor, tonight it was the president is shaken, rattled by the flynn memo every time something drops. They have a camera in the white house and the president is rattled. Im sure he doesnt like the fact of the investigation, who would . I dont think mr. Mueller necessarily is culpable himself but whether ed know so or not, what weve seen now is weve seen the impeachment writs early in the administration, we saw the 25th amendment, we saw the logan act and now the mueller investigation, psychologically fills that same need because we dont have any information that the Trump Campaign or transition did anything different than Ronald Reagan did in 1980. Laura where is the collusion . Saul is i think judicious and prudent in your analysis. We do not know what is in these redactions. We dont know, Michael Cohen has taperecordings . We dont know. This is like a slow roll. The question is when is this ultimately do you think going to wrap up . I think were near the end. But keep in mind how you typically determine what a Prosecutors Office has is you look at every plea deal. You look at the language of the deal and you look at the statement of the offense. Thats where they say this is what the guy did. And in every single case, you have nothin