State of the union. She doesnt want to stand or applaud, thats fine. I find the whole thing to be another sad chapter in american politics. Sean to the president s credit, fighting, staying on principle, keeping promises. Laura of course he has to do that. I am talking about the democrats being petty. Sean what is she standing for here . No solutions, no help, no border security. Not going to end well for the democratic party. Laura sean, great show. They so much. I am Laura Ingraham and this is the ingraham angle. From a contentious washington tonight. They stated the union speech has been canceled by nancy pelosi because she doesnt want to hear the truth. She doesnt want the American Public to hear whats going on, and shes afraid of the truth. Laura nancy pelosi is actually denying the president of the United States access to the House Chamber for a state of the Union Address. Two lawmakers are going to join us with some inventive ideas and the latest, most uptodate information on this. Its a standoff. You dont want to miss it. Where should trump deliver the speech . Plus, a prosecutor in kentucky they say now that those who loved threats against the Covington Catholic students could face domestic terrorism charges. We have an exclusive with him in a moment. Raymond arroyo took to the streets to ask folks whether they know much about any of the oscar picture nominees. Wait until you see the reaction in seen and unseen. First the hat that dare not show its brim. Thats the focus of tonights angle. There is so much news to cover every day in trump world that you would think the press would stick to real reporting and analysis on important political development, but no. Move over, and i went to work. Now the business of dissing fashion accessories. No, no, no, not that one. No, no, not ugly flipflops. Yes, that one. Bingo. The hat carries a certain connotation that provokes a conditioned reaction from many people. Especially for marginalized people. America is already the most punitive developed nation on earth. For poor people, people of color. We throw millions of lives onto the bonfire every year. They just dont normally look like the teenagers in maga hats. Speak of this make America Great again hat is as maddening and frustrating and triggering for me to look at as a kkk hood. Laura well, they trigger me in the wake of the Covington High School fracas, the red maga has become a talisman of evil a. Savannah guthrie brought it up with the student at the center of the controversy, Nick Sandmann today on the today show. Do you think if you werent wearing that hat, this might not have happened or he might have been different . Thats possible, but i would have to assume what mr. Phillips was thinking, and i would rather let him speak for why he came up to us. Laura so the red hat now is apparently the annabelle of head coverings, i think capable of unleashing evil wherever it is seen. Theres also a subtext here meant to intimidate. We are going to get into that. The left wants to take away you are right to wear whatever the heck you want. Now, this is its weird. Its a leftwing version of puritanism, their own version of it. Where they get to dictate what goody fillin the blank is allowed to wear and anyone who dares to violate their dictates is either ashamed or just labeled hateful, xenophobic, misogynistic, unreasonable, stupid, and of course racist. Bishop talbert swan, Harvard Divinity School grad, tweeted when Trayvon Martin was murdered, you also black parent should let their boys wear hoodies. If they didnt want them perceived as thugs. They all dont want your boys perceived as racist little jackasses for wearing maga hats. Mr. Swan will join us in a moment. This leftist narrative that a make America Great again hat is akin to wearing some nazi uniform, its patently ridiculous and its offensive. Its just plain stupid. But this is the deformation and intimidation that they left happily perpetuates. By the way, with little to no pushback. Predictably of course never trump republicans are also taking up the chorus, from the New York Times tweeting dont let your Catholic Schools students where maga hats for a field trip for the march for life. And of course bill kristol, he never misses an opportunity to hit the president and his supporters, even when he has his facts wrong, said the contrast between the quiet strength of mr. Phillips and the behavior of maga brats over absorb the spirit of tropism, the spectacle as a lesson which all americans can learn. Whether a piece of clothing says feel the burn or im with her, its all a form of political expression and thus it is speech protected by the first amendmen first amendment. You can be offended by it but you cant possibly use it to intimidate and frighten people and even terrorize them. But it is left, joined by the rabbit never jumpers is so desperate to be proven right about the president , they seize on symbols instead of solving problems. Guys, its a lot easier, is intended to brand kids races for what they are wearing then to debate adults on things like immigration and trade policy. But for some, the maga hats, well, it symbolizes something very different. It was something about when i put this hat on, it made me feel like superman. You made a superman. Thats my favorite superhero. You made a superman cape. Laura kanye kind of saw this coming. When he said he didnt want people to control him, to tell of water how to think because of the color of his skin. Todays real rebels are the kids who dared to show up for the march for life last friday. Today is real rebels are the faithful who refused to genuflect to whats popular and instead defend what they think is right. Todays real rebels, they reject the collectivist mindset of hollywood, the media, and the universities that obliterate history instead of actually teaching it. And yes, todays rebels will where maga hats knowing that they might be abused for doing so, like the covington kids were. In the end, its really not about the hat, is it . Its about 2020. Trumphating fanatics aim to deprive the president of any opportunity to brand his reelection campaign. In other words, antitrump paraphernalia will be verboten. I talked about this today, and its actually in its own way a form of voter intimidation and potentially lethal. With consequences that are incredibly disruptive. By the way, you cant scream fire in a crowded theater and you cant scream racist when someone in a crowd wears a hat you dont like. And thats the angle. All right, here now on what promises to be a pretty fiery debate, pastor and activist fisher talbert swan. Dan bongino, host of the dan bongino podcast. Bishop, i was looking at twitter last night, i couldnt sleep and i came across your tweets. We quoted one of them in the angle and i really appreciate first of all, even though we disagree on some issues, i really appreciate your being here tonight to share some thoughts and maybe even get somewhere. So thank you for coming. The Video Evidence that we are now seeing when we see all of the evidence, not just a snippet, does show bishop, that these boys did not start this confrontation. But you still see them, i believe, as the villains in this story . Tell us why. Well, when you look at the video, its true these young men were ridiculed by the hebrew israelites. There is no doubt about that, theres no excuse for the behavior that those men displayed in terms of how they came at them. But you cannot deny it with your own eyes see when you see these young men mocking, jeerin, ridiculing the native american. You cant deny what you see on other videos when you see them accosting and yelling at women and saying things like its not rape if you enjoy it. Laura whats important tonight and i would not interrupt you, bishop, but you cant bishop, this is where we have to agree on the basics, otherwise its not going to be a great conversation. Again, just facts. Thats all im interested in. The fact is that person that video is out there. Laura the person who made the comment about rape is not a Covington Catholic high school student. Hes not part of their group. None of those kids were jeering at africanamerican activists. They werent doing that, bishop. I am just telling you they werent doing that. They are 15yearold kids who were standing he was standing there. Nick sandmann has been threatened and he was standing there. No, they werent. They were not doing that. If you look at the whole tape, you can actually see that. I have seen the whole video. Laura so Covington Catholic is lying . That student is actually a member of Covington Catholic. Dan bongino, ive got to get you in you. I am glad the bishop came on but we have to get these facts straight. Its very important for an honest conversation. Just like epic the fact rate on other issues like Trayvon Martin, and i agree with you on that, bishop. We have to get those facts straight. We have to get the facts straight on something or someone someone did not die but where kids have been threatened. Tapley threatened. Dan bongino. Did these boys standing there, do they trigger this behavior on the part of this activist that we are learning a lot more about tonight by the way and the black hebrew israelites . Do they trigger them with the maga hats . You know, laura, with due respect to your other guests, i have no idea what hes talking about. I have a monitor in my office. We are watching the same its like we live in a postfact for zara world universe. You have a kid standing there with a maga hat and a political expression on it, motionless with a smile on his face while an adult confronts the kid, and yet, i dont know what tape the bishop is watching. What do these kids do wrong . And then to throw in this random, you know, fact and im using the dreaded air quotes because its an antifact, a known fact that someone screamed this about rape which they did but they were not part of that group, its clearly in either an effort to distract from the lack of a point which i dont believe the gentleman has, or to distract from the video on the screen that we can all see. These were a bunch of kids waiting for a bus. While a group of activists confronted them. What video are you watching . I was watching the same video you are watching. If you want to pretend that the few moments where mr. Sandmann was standing in front of mr. Phillips. Then go right ahead, but theres a lot more to the video than just that point. You cannot sit here and tell me that these young men were not ridiculing, that they were not jeering, that they were not mocking. Laura you are a man of the cloth. Thats what our ic. Laura you are a man of the cloth that i know you dont advocate violence and you agree i would imagine that nonviolence, standing there even wearing a piece of clothing that people find objectionable is not grounds for them threatening to kill them, to burn them, destroy the lives. I know you know that. We completely agree that there is no excuse of anybody threatening to kill or to burn or to harm anyone. As a matter of fact, ive been getting Death Threats and phone calls from people on the other side because of my tweets. I emphatically condemned that type of behavior. But i also condemned the type of behavior that i saw from those young men on that particular day. Laura they were standing there, bishop. They were not standing there. Are you not seeing the same video . Seeing these young men. Laura Nick Sandmann. He wasnt there by himself. There was an entire group of young men who were mocking, jeering, they were ridiculing and you all are sitting here saying we dont hear them. Well, it wasnt phillips involved. Laura they were being called incest babies. Yeah, okay, okay. You cant blame their behavior laura okay, so people should be called incest babies and crackers and swear words and not be a ball and not respond . And when they do respond, the other ones. First of all, Nick Sandmann didnt say anything the other kids werent part of it. At the beginning, at the beginning. Laura simple question. Is the maga hat racist . At the beginning, i condemned the behavior of the hebrew israelites. Laura is the maga hat racist . When it comes to the maga hat, its a piece of clothing that represents donald trump and everything that comes along with donald trump. Laura so is that a yes. An unrepented racist parent the maga hat, too many, is representative of a clan hood of racism. Absolutely. It absolutely is. What is going on here . Is this real . Did he just laid out on Cable Television . I absolutely said that. Im not willing to defer to the man of god line for you anymore after you decide one of the dumbest comments. It doesnt refer to me yes. You dont affirm me. The dumbest thing ive ever heard in seven years of cable news. Make America Great again, a slogan used by bill clinton that times too is racist . Are you serious . Donald trump, hold on. I didnt interrupt you. Donald trump, who gives you back more of your money, fought for school choice, black unemployment of the lowest in modern american history, donald trump, if hes a racist, hes the worst racist weve seen in history. Laura criminal Justice Reform. Donald trump. Donald trump. Donald trump. Im embarrassed for you. She called laura talking about third world nations, not just african nations. Bath black athletes sons of bitches. Laura hold on, hold on, hold on. Is criminal Justice Reform legislation passed into law which president obama wanted to do, i think george bush talked about it, civil rights years for years have been trying to get people to pass, he actually did it. Does that count at all . It absolutely counts, laura. The entire team of van jones and those laura van jones worked with him. That was smart. That piece of legislation will have benefits to africanamericans and people across the spectrum. Laura why would a racist do that . Why would a racist do that . You know, laura, because someone got a piece of legislation passed does not mean that we ignore a long, 40 year history. What i cant believe is that you all are telling me from the general, one of your anchor said when Trayvon Martin was killed, that if you want to be perceived as a thug, you shouldnt wear a hoodie. From you all who said that black young men who wear hoodies should have to tell me that a maga hat should not be viewed in a certain way, its absolutely hypocritical. Laura bishop, i have to say i think putting aside your comments, i think youre making a really good point about profiling people based on what they wear. I think thats an excellent point. You shouldnt profile. Someone wants to wear a hoodie, let them wear a darn hoodie. Someone wants to wear a hillary button or burn a button, or hat, good for them. Its a political expression. I dont judge them on the close they wear. You shouldnt. If ive ever done that, i am wrong. I think we have to apply that standard across the board, and i actually think we agree on that. Laura i think you could work with President Trump on a lot of issues. Im not saying that to try to be cute here. I actually think if you and dan bongino and trump got together in a room, i bet you guys couldo some really good things together. I really do. This conversation about whats racist, how about solutions . Lets help each other get this country on the right track. I think you could actually do it. I really do. I think youve got a lot of passion, a lot of supporters. Donald trump solutions. A lot of black men and women are working right now because of donald trump and are supporting their kids. A lot of black men and women who were working before trump came into office. Lets not pretend the Unemployment Rate didnt drop down to 7. 8 under obama. The economy right now, your comments are so ridiculous. Laura lets not okay. When you try to give him credit pursuit what someone else did, thats whats ridiculous. Laura racial tensions were high under barack obama. Laura i think in the end, we all do this, i do this too. You want to see the world and the way the you absolutely believe it has to be at that moment. We all do it. But i am saying on National Television i really believe if people just think about what works, basic things that work, you know, okay, probably having some immigration laws work because we want to protect our people. We want some better trade policies will probably help all americans. How do we get from a to b and who can get us there . I think a lot of times we are talking past each other, and i think its sad and i think people watching a lot of the shows, they get sad. Let me ask your question. I agree with you. I started this debate with an open mind with the gentleman, and i still have an open mind. But how do you talk to someone who claims when you put a maga hat on, that you are the worst scum on the planet, which would be a racist. Those are your words. Dont put words in my mouth. Im well able to articulate for myself. I am well able to articulate for myself, and i didnt say that. You said that. Lets not sit here and pretend that symbols dont mean its the basis of your commentary. Lets not pretend that symbols dont have meanings. The maga hat has a meaning. Its a simple. Donald trump and everything he stands for. Laura we are out of time but i can state is probably hundreds of thousands of americans who have those hats, and i think its really dangerous for any of us to judge them as individuals based on the fact that they voted for President Trump because they just thought he had better ideas. They are not bad people. There are always bad people in every group. There are bad people in every group, i get that. I think we shouldnt profile people based on the clothes they wear. I shouldnt do it, and i dont think anyone should do it. I think its bad and i think its toxic. We might get somewhere eventually, but i really appreciate both of you joining us. Thank you both. I probably talked too much in this segment but thats the way it was. Could those who threaten those covington be charged with domestic terrorism . A prosecutor from kentucky joins us next exclusively to explain. President trump to find, saying that