Disagreement between the two parties, the two movements, whatever you want to call it, its going to go away, and its not. Theyre not going to be happy until they drive from from office and the matter what he does, no matter how well he handles it, no matter how many people fewer than the model and a perishing from this horrible virus, hes not going to get any credit, so i think he knows that. Hes just trying to do whats best for the american people. Hes not going to win he will never win with these people. Sean a small window even during a national emergency. Laura not really. Sean people need that information and how about we stop with investigations for five seconds . Laura no. Thats how you think because you are reasonable person, thats not how, frankly, the far left things that we are going to unpack some of that tonight on the show. Fantastic commentary tonight. Great to see you. Im laura ingraham, this is the ingraham angle from another of course very busy washington tonight. The models predicted that covid19 could kill as many as 2. 2 million americans. Now people are saying how did they get it so wrong . We are going to have answers and hear for my medicine cabinet on the latest treatment breakthroughs. Bus, whos watching over your Civil Liberties during this national crisis. Alan dershowitz takes that one on and with 6 million americans filing for unemployed this past week, what needs to happen to get this economy going again . And how, in the process, do we begin to decouple from china . Mark cuban has a message for anyone whos lost hope. The media launched a despicable attack on the mypillow ceo for even appearing with the president on monday but have you seen the new york new daytime talk show that aired kind of midday today . Raymond arroyo breaks that one all down. But first, america in shutdown, day 17. Beyond the numbers that flashed on the screen, counting those infected and killed by covid19, and they are always horrific, we often forget through the sadness and the fear that this is also causing americans our American Family a lot of pain. We have to ask what is this virus doing to us as a people as we deal with the victims and trying to prevent more deaths . Well, apparently, its turning us into a nation of snitches. If youve observed recurring violations of the stayathome order, please continue to let us know, coronavirusatl. A. Cit coronavirusatl. A. City. Org busi ness violation. You know the old expression about snitches. In this case, snitches get rewards. We want to thank you for turning folks in and making sure we are all safe. Laura i have a question. Who keeps us safe from you . Its become abundantly clear that in the midst of this Unprecedented Health crisis that there are bad actors everywhere trying to use this to their advantage. Sean and i were just talking about some of them. From washed up celebrities lipsynching their greatest hits on youtube to politicians using fear to cramdown policies that would be inconceivable to us under normal circumstances. While we as a nation continue doing our part to keep the ourselves and each other safe, e cannot stand idly by as people in either party take advantage of this very complicated and dire situation. As a society, beyond just this immediate situation, we should start looking forward to understand how this experience is going to change us, or how it should change us. Because this is going to be transformative. Wonder we get back to normal . I dont think we get back to normal. Laura wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a second. We dont get back to normal . I thought the whole point of locking ourselves in our homes was to save lives, of course, and then go back to our old normal lives. The democrats think they have President Trump in a nowin situation, thats obvious from the way they are acting, so they are even worried at this point about hiding their agenda. Are you taking into consideration green jobs, Green Infrastructure . Yes, and if we are going to do infrastructure, we need it big, we need it bold and we needed futuristic, which means green. Theres traditional infrastructure, roads, bridges, highways, we need that, but we also need new Green Infrastructure for the future. Laura phase four, covid meets solyndra. Maybe we can call it covindra. Absolutely absurd and they should be exposed and resisted at all costs by the g. O. P. Come on. If theyre not going green though, they are going the guns. Because the same liberal governors who classified abortion clinics as essential businesses rushed in to Close Gun Stores and nonessential. It gun owners, they werent happy. We were willing to just sit by the right to keep and bear arms necessarily includes the right to acquire them. How can you keep, how can you bear something you cant get your hands on . Laura heres vauxs precut headline from earlier today. Flatten the curve and your Second Amendment rights. Check that out. Mayors are also using the virus to empty their jails. Some violent offenders have already gone on to commit other crimes. And since were talking about lawbreakers, they have advocates in the White House Briefing room too. Over 5 Million Immigrants in this country do pay taxes through their i. D. Numbers yet they will not receive any money in the stimulus package. How do you suppose they survive during the covid19 . Youre saying undocumented, meaning they came in illegally. And a lot of people would say we have a lot of citizens right now that will be working, so, what are you going to do . Its a tough thing. Im not going to give you a hard and fast answer because i just want to tell you its something i think about and its something were working on. Laura while of course everyone feels bad for everyone in this situation here and we love immigrants, the operative word, and President Trump knows this, he said its only times, is legal immigrants. Right now, with everything where facing its got to be americans first. But of all the scams perpetrated through the covid nightmare, the effort to change voting we told you like two weeks ago this was going to happen. Perhaps the worst. Anything to create more opportunities for ballot harvesting or even voter fraud. We need 1. 6 billion added to the next response bill to ensure that vote by mail, in person, early voting and election day voting can happen. We will probably be moving to vote by mail. It may mean that you have a circumstance where you have drive in voting, literally, you pull up and you vote. Laura i dont even know what biden was saying there. Kind of trails off at the end of those sentences, doesnt he . But if not all of the democrats playing games here. A former trough administration fda commissioner well, hes actually seeing his own demand peak. Scott gottlieb. Hes on television several times a day and has the ear of the white house. Hes written a kind of road map to Recovery Plan that discusses the need to do a bunch of things to get back to normal, including in part tracking citizens movements during this crisis. Some of this is already happening. Sources told the wall street journal that the federal, state, and local governments have already started collecting and studying geolocation data. It turns out that big tech is helping big brother track covid compliance. We expect this kind of stuff from china and russia, maybe even korea, but here . When i was a student in the soviet union, they watched our every move. There were informants in our hotel and that coffee stand up little coffee shops. And they all received special government privileges for ratting out, you know, tourists into the soviet union or even their fellow citizens. My goodness, we cant have that here. In the coming days, in the coming weeks, we are going to be doing some tracking of our own, of the models funded by billionaires that keep americans out of work. Projections that are based in faulty assumptions and in some cases even incomplete data. Congress may be out of session while youre out of work, but not us. Hundreds of thousands of americans die every year from horrific things, viruses, pneumonia, obviously old age, cancer, diabetes. Other terrible illnesses. They also die from despair. Drug overdoses. Opioids. Suicides. And loneliness. Every life is precious and we have to ensure that winning the war against covid19 doesnt kill the patient, which is america. And those are my thoughts at the end of this shutdown, day 17. Joining me now is victor davis hanson, senior fellow at the hoover institution. The left never lets a good crisis go to waste, you and i have talked about this before, but will people see through some of these schemes that i just laid out, and will ultimately recoil and resist them . I think so. I mean, every tragedy, natural or manmade, there can be some good of it. You know the black plague helped and feudalism. We know that women and minorities that were vital in the world war Ii Industries had greater quality after the war but this is different. I mean, this is a political agenda that is the result deliberately of trying to manipulative the crisis. Not that we havent seen it. The deep state as a result of the new deal reaction to the depression. I dont think we would have had obamacare without the 2008 meltdown but that being said, we are right in the middle of people dying, and so people are advocating to manipulate the crisis and more importantly to enact an agenda that didnt have 50 support, laura. We saw that in the democratic primaries. Nobody wanted the Green New Deal or medicare for all or open borders and then it also presumes that things were bad before, but the reason that we are weathering this disaster the way we are is that we have the worlds best economy. We have 3. 5 unemployment, 7 million new jobs. At low inflation, low interest, energy production, Food Production we dont want to transform what was very good. We want to restore it and get back to it. And you and i talked last week about Hillary Clintons tweet about we are America First and then showing these statistics about the number of cases and that was kind of a macabre thing to do right when we have 100,000 people suffering from this disease, but more importantly it was factually wrong because the United States, with got to get a grip on things. Were doing pretty well. If you look at per capita deaths per million population, we are about not that different from germany, which is doing the best in europe. So this pessimism in this desire to manipulate this crisis for an agenda that does not have Popular Support and would transform or reject the status quo before the virus, which was the best economy we had in decades, it doesnt make any sense. Laura no one picked up on this sorry, victor victor, no one picked up on this but what cuomo said yesterday, it just it sent a chill down my spine when he said we are not going back to normal. And its like, what . What are you talking about we are not going back to normal . Yeah, we should wash our hands more and be more i wiped on all surfaces, i always have, but be careful, dont go to work if youre sick, but thats not what theyre talking about, or is it . Well, normal is the status quo, which is pretty go good. And Governor Cuomo apparently thinks that the status quo didnt help his ideology or his party or his agenda in a way that would have changed things in november. Whether we want to be blunt or, you know, naive, or whatever, the reaction, this crisis has been weaponized and its a tragedy because we are going to come out of it pretty well, but there are people who feel that they have to emphasize the downside to enact an agenda that otherwise would not be enacted without this popular depression and anger, so we all know whats going on, and get Political Correctness says that we cant really identify it and condemn it because to do so, ironically, would be to be partisan in our reaction to what is clearly a partisan manipulation of the disaster. Laura when you have a phd, scientists, statistician statisticians, biophysics experts, Nobel Laureates saying wait a second, we have to know the denominator to understand the lethality of this disease and every life is precious, we want to keep everybody safe and of course thats a given, but we also have to understand the cost of american lives on the other side of this. When theyre saying this now, victor, youve got to imagine the policymakers at some point will hear from the people who are suffering with these job losses in these businesses and say, you know, we have lives as well and we have to somehow preserve them. Laura, im sitting in a state thats the fifth largest economy in the world thats completely shut down and weve suffered less than 250 deaths and we have about 3 million people. Three people per million that have died. We have twice the population of new york and weve suffered onetenth the deaths and one 20th the deaths per capita basis and so this onesizefitsall is absolutely insane. There are individual conditions, many of which we dont know, but we do know the results in california should be treated in a different way than new york city and that means that we could have a graduated return to some type of normality because we dont shut down the greatest economy in the United States in california because we have three people per million dying, thats just a fact of life. When we have 760 people in california dying every day during this crisis, with out about four on average. Laura victor, we are going to be i loved your piece, by the way, which i posted in everyones got to read and i will send it around again tonight on twitter, discussing just that, actual data, actual numbers, not to minimize any loss of life. Thank you so much, important conversation to have. One of the proposals out there to contain a coronavirus is to test and then track people through their cell phones. And it sounds like something out of orwell, but why would anyone consider doing it here and what threats do these kinds of solutions goes to your civil rights and youd be surprised to know that this is actually already happening. Joining me now, alan dershowitz, harvard law professor emeritus, author of guilt by accusation. Allen, mass surveillance. Mass surveillance of the sick or asked surveillance ultimately of all of us. Those were the questions being posed today online with people who saw that this was actually happening already. Well, 50 years ago i wrote an article which was widely published called Civil Liberties and the time of emergency and i anticipated any of these issues and back then i said if youre going to curtail any Civil Liberties, you have to have at least two good criteria. It number there always has to be a sunset provision. That is, you can curtail it for one month and its not automatically renewed. You have to renew it again to make sure the crisis is there. Number two, you have to be justified by Public Health people, not by political people. And it has to remain nonpartisan in every way and it has to be as limited as possible, so take for example the surveillance. To be considered being considered in other democratic countries, if its going to be done, it has to be done on a very shortterm basis. There has to be a world that says you cannot use the data for any purpose other than tracking people who are sick, and it has to be limited in every possible way. In the end, there always has to be compromises in these times of crisis. Sometimes they turn out very badly. President roosevelt put 110,000 japanese americans in detention centers. It was a disaster. On the other hand laura alan. President lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus. So we have to balance and the most important thing is nonpartisan. Neither side can use this to its advantage. We have to have a moratorium on making political points out of this illness. We have to turn the issue over to Public Health people, let them decide the issues largely a Public Health, nonpolitical laura i dont know. I have a problem with that as well though, alan. With all due respect to all the health professionals, they werent elected by the people. They have a rol role in its ovey critical, important role, but they dont look at the broad picture of what this shutdown does to the unemployed, to the at risk children, to the teachers. So theyre looking at one thing and theyre looking at, as we found out, data that has had to be revised and changed and altered and estimates were wildly inflated and now they are coming down, and thats good news, but i mean, the idea that you just turn it all over i mean, trump was right i think when he said if we are up to fauci we would be closed for 18 months, he said. Obviously elected Public Officials have to make the ultimate decision subject to review by the Supreme Court and other courts. Im saying listen to the Public Health people because they are likely to be less partisan and then make sure that the decisions take into account all the elements. But look, this is going to get worse before it gets better. The indications are where going to see many, many more deaths than the First Priority has to be stop the deaths. At i dont approve of what your prior guests said. I think he was minimizing the numbers of deaths per million laura i dont think he was at all. No. Its going to get much worse than that. We have to put life first, we will rebuild the economy, we are able to rebut the economy. We are a wealthy country. We have a lot of money but everybody is equal when it comes to the virus and we have to approach it in a completely nonpartisan way. Nobody should be taking advantage of this. Laura i dont think he was doing that at all. I think he was asking questions, which is what you did after 9 11. When people started rushing in to make judgments about which constitution so asking questions in a time of crisis is actually necessary because in a time of crisis, Everyone Wants just to say no Second Amendment, no force to mimic, you cant criticize, cant go to church. I thin