Good grief. Laura alan has done segments on her show thats so funny. You need humor during difficult times and your faith and your family to get through. Sean amen. Laura it puts me in a great mood. Sean you had a great show last night. Get on it. Laura we are talking to pompeo. Im Laura Ingraham and this is the ingraham angle from washington tonight. Why are the media peddling a shot a shoddy new survey on hydroxychloroquine so they can use it to do what . Smear their political opponents. Is this a tedious playbook at this point . Im going to respond to theseha shameful and shortsighted attacks and my medicine cabinet lays out what the science as it stands says. Secretary of state mike pompeo here exclusively with answers to what should happen to the w. H. O. Leadership. This is very important. Hes going to give a detailed theory that the virus accidentally escaped from that wuhan lab as well. And the coronavirus pandemic has exposed cnn what it really is. Its kind of a reality show masquerading as a news network now. I guess they had to go with some brand. Raymond arroyo has a seen and unseen thats hilarious. You dont want to miss it. U but first, my thoughts at the end of day 37, america and shut down. When we use the phrase scientific shoddy on a headline in television, its meant to conveys researchers must account for variables age, medical history, current disease progression just to name a few things. Then the manner in which that data is organized, examine, and recorded can determine a lot about whether the study is credible or not. Well, a survey or Study Released yesterday on hydroxychloroquine for use on Covid Patients is shockingly irresponsible. A top neurologist even saying perhaps an agenda driven. It was published in preprint form and not get Peer Reviewed and it claims to show that hydroxychloroquine shows no effect against covid and its use according to the survey could lead to an even higher fatality rate. Sounds terrible. Thats when the headline readers who hate trump and this network, thats when they pounced. Trump and some on fox reported that patients were benefiting from hydroxychloroquine i was one of them reporting on that. The study they say shows that hydroxy kills people. People not only is there no medical benefit, the study shows higher death rate among patients who took it. Yes, much higher death. It actually could be harming patients who take it. Medical professionals repeatedly encouraged cautions, but the president and fox news are not known for patients or caution. Why would we ever think a fox news star or president should be promoting a drug . Itss outlandish. Laura first of all, im stating the obvious but cnn has zero credit ability. One of their anchors this week just made fake post Covid Recovery video. Maybe people actually want to help america. Ever heard of it . The jackals at media matters thought they had their prey trapped, and now journalism is such a joke that even the Washington Post and tonight for new york time reflexively joined the pig pile. Its just pathetic. Im not a doctor, i dont play one on tv, but right now the french biologist released b his own study on hydroxychloroquine and spent 25 a few weeks ago. It demonstrated 91 effectiveness with zero side effects. H there was one outcome not good but in the patients that recovered, zero side effects. Today that same professor who is a renowned Infectious Disease expert issued a devastating response to the researchers who looked at the Veterans Affairs patients. He said, in the current period, it seems passion dominates rigorous and balanced scientific analysis and the lead to scientific misconduct. This article, the study he is referring to, is an absolutely spectacular example of this. The analysis of the data shows two biases. Liz quite as common in the nonac q tgroup. There is an absolute correlation between lymphopenia and fatality rate, which is well known. That would account for the higher rates in those two groups, which the anchors were so excited to talk about. It appears that one of the i tables in the study, it appears that it shows significant differences in outcomes, hydroxychloroquine, hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin, was given after patients were intubated. As doctors on the show have said multiple times and as professor raoul writes, thats on except the bull after the azithromycin storm that its unlikely that hydroxychloroquine alone would be able to control patients at this stage of the disease. Translation, the later you take hydroxychloroquine, likely the worse the outcome will be. You shouldnt be administering it here without explanation at that stage of the disease. This be hating the trump hating morons didnt even notice it, the Untreated Group received azithromycin in 30 of the cases without this group being analyzed in any distinct way. News flash, azithromycin is also a proposed treatment for covid with in vitro efficacy. It doesnt take a phd in microbiology to understand that the group that was untreated cannot then be treated with meds that are in their home when a partially effective at therapies. Even thehe secretary of veteran affairs had to admit thes weakness of this study. Thats an observational study. Its not a clinical study. It was done in a small number of veterans. Sadly, those of whom were in the last stages of life, the drug was given to them. We know the drug has been working on middle age and younger veterans as related to the city of new york. Working in stopping the progression of the disease. Laura so this begs the question. Why did the associated press, one of the true professional Media Outlets left in america, why didn they go for the story . Check out this headline. More deaths, more benefits this is the 18th do they have any standards . They surely have smart folks over there who want to help people and they have all the caveats in there, at least read the study or the survey like many others, i agree that wider studies, of course they should be conducted, they should be ongoing to determine the efficacy of this drug and any. But why deny or even mention the positive results in favor of the shoddy survey, like the one we just discussed that seem to be irresponsibly been repurposed by the ap . So what is driving this . Is it a drug down my blind obsession to disprove the effectiveness of a drug being used right now tonight in medical centers with covid . . . . Is this a mad impulse to discount any is it triggered by a pure hd of trump, me . Motivated by a secret desire to keep america hopeless, or the shutdown going on through the election . Im open to any theory at this point. If the import was surely scientific and health focused, why havent we seen the same volume of coverage and scrutiny of other far more expensive and also, you know, no controls, completely doubleblind study, unproven treatment . Ive talked about both of them, just to name t a few. Of course, hydroxychloroquine as we said before is very cheap, highly scalable, been around for decades and decades and decades. Big pharma a does not make its money on cheap generics. News flash number two. They make their money on new drugs and vaccines. They might be better, they might be the beall and all, that to be fabulous. Remember, a lot of the big companies, they give a lot of money to nih, cdc, and the w. H. O. Hydroxychloroquine is part of the standard course of care for covid at the long island jewish medical center, Staten Island university hospital, and many others. My question to Michael Greenbaum of the New York Times and all these other people, are they killing peopleop too . Maybe we can ask Brian Sessler they have tried everything in their power to defeat him. But they fail spectacularly every time. In this most recent hydroxychloroquine episode once again confirms that not only of the rank bias, but in some cases there of banality and sloppiness as well. Those are the thoughts at the end of day 37 of america in shutdown. Joining me are to a doctor is in my medicine cabinet actually on the front lines treating covidin patients, including treating them with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and other therapies as well. Dr. Stephen smith, founder of the smith center for Infectious Diseases and urban health, and dr. Jeff colyer, dr. Smith, i want to start with you. Been on a niche for many time talking about what you see day in and day out, with the therapies with what we have available. Hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin and others. Why is the affect is effectiveness of the drug beingg maligned or what have you . Whats your theory . Aside from may be political reasons which i could never understand, its other issues. One, its not a drug we are familiar with. Infectious disease doctors are not familiar with hydroxychloroquine which is not a traditional antibiotic. It affects the hosts i know its effective from our data. Thats the first time weve even attempted to affect the host may be other than interferon to actually affect host cell metabolism with a small molecule to help fight the infection. Its unheard of. We are not familiar with it. Its a very unusual drug. It takes seven months for it to reach a steady state. The 7400 milligrams does being used by a lot of American Physicians is absurd. Its absurd lead low, given to everyone of the same mass and weight. I was using the same 24milligram dose for a 90yearold woman as i was for 45yearold man weighing over 350 pounds. One or both for getting the wrong dose. Total u dose is what matters. And with any infection, treatment matters. And thats what we are seeing now and basically doing weightbased dosing as is done in fda approved Clinical Trialsa over 300 fda approved Clinical Trials i just quoted, several of the fda trials are looking at prediabetes, prediabetics, they have to use weightbased dosing, given a lot more hydroxychloroquine to the old obeseprediabetics. Laura dr. Collier, i want you to get in on this. Us they think we are obsessed with hydroxychloroquine. We are actually obsessed with helping americans with whatever tools there are. If there is a better drug, great. If this work in 10 of the cases, do the math. 6,000 peoples lives could be saved . Im just doing the math off my head. Whats going on here. What have you seen, doctor . We have really about three drugs right now that seem to have some sort of effect. Hydroxychloroquine, brenda zamir convalescentplasma. What we have to do is we have to try all of these things. There are over 100 studies on hydroxychloroquine right now. Just taking this one little data point and trying to make politics out of it is exactly the wrong thing to do. We need real science. Ett it happen. Laura steve smith down that, i think its incredibly important that we obviously had developed these therapies to develop covid19 because we may never get the vaccine. I took a lot of heat and dr. Smith, i thought about you because of all your great work on hiv and your dads work on hiv over the years, took a lot of heat even asking dr. Fauci this question last week. We dont have a vaccine on czars. They got close in mice. We dont have a vaccine for hiv. Life did go on. The idea will have a vaccine, we dont approach much else in the same way as we are pegging going back to normal with a vaccine, did we . Laura the wall street journal quoted one of the countrys top immunologists making the same exact point as i did, youd think studying hiv and studying it, we have a vaccine, and we dont. Im consciou cautious telling pt will have a vaccine for covid19. I totally agree. I spent most of my virology career i did read that literature. Their words a lot of wasted effort and money in the hiv vaccine after we knew a lot of the approaches were not going to work. Dr. Fauci is aware of it. Not saying he wasted money, but hes well aware of the studies but we knew the most traditional approach towards vaccination for viruses were not going to work in hiv. No reason to think they would. So they didnt. We pursued them anyway. Coronavirus to date has not had a vaccine development, as you pointed out. I dont know the chances of having one or not. I cant come up and you know, thats a crystal ball type stuff. Eye of course hope there is one. But vaccines are given to a lot of people. But safety is one as well. Just fsc alone is not enough. You have to prove that b1 dr. Smith, i had to jump in. Just really quickly, are you seeing horrific side effects if you give it. Routinely say that these side effects are horrific. I think i took it when i went to africa three times on different occasions. It was a different dose, i didnt have side effects. Are you seeing any horrific side effects . No. I am at 400 and day march 15th before i saw my first patient. The literature on this drug is significant. I started looking at the lupus and Rheumatoid Arthritis to literature. Its like a bandwagon here, but its the best a profile laura what you are saying is people who are on hydroxychloroquine for a variety of diseases, lupus, other diseases of the skin, its been shown to be extremely safe. Go ahead to come a really quick. Yes, thats absolutely true. They dont even measure ekgs. Also, the levels in lupus patients are five to ten time higher. Laura incredibly important. Maggie haberman at the New York Times had acr. Bg group. A doctor who says hhs punished him for questioning hydroxychloroquine, the media ran all day with his narrative. He was retaliated against and removed from his position because he did not along with the president and other Administration Officials pushing hydroxychloroquine. E. This is a remarkable and depressing development that shows that politics supersedes science. He was pushed out of his job trying to protects. Americans. One little problem of this. Politicalju has been working to oust him since last year. Showing that he supported hh as acquiring more shipments of, wait for it, hydroxychloroquine. It looks like antitrump sentiment is driving the news cycle whether its against hydroxychloroquine and or why someone gets removed from office. What are your thoughts on that little illustration . You see this all of the time, seeing this get politicized and for example, in the journal of cardiology back in september, there was an article about elongation, thats what people are criticizing hydroxychloroquine. One in 68,000 american teenagers who wear tested because they were using marijuana ended up hd cutie you didnt see it in the same things happening the air. I think we need to look at the scientist, lets get those studies get done. When you treat people earlier, you get better results. Laura cant wait until people are intubated, unlikely to work at that point. Thank you so much. Both of you have been so helpful through this whole thing, giving hius actual data. Its been really appreciated. Thanks so much. I have a question. Is the future support for the w. H. O. , is it contingent on tedoros and his cronies resigning . I will ask mike pompeo about that. And the investigation on the origin of the virus coming up. 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Which is great news given that organizations complicity in check does covid cover up your joining me is our secretary of state mike pompeo. Mr. Secretary, thank you for being here tonight. Earlier this week, i said that the Global Community should demand that tedros and his cronies resigning in order to get this behind everyone. Whats the state of play regarding the patient shipped right the w. H. O. . Laura, thanks for having me on. As you said, the to create given the recent history. You have created set a remember that this is not the first time the World Health Organization has failed to do what it needs to do when aha pandemic begins o break up. Worried we are still not getting it right. You recounted what happened in january with the delayed announcement of the pandemic and the fact that china asked them not to announce in the World Health Organization didnt do that. Even today, that the Chinese Government has not permitted american scientist to go into china, not only into the wuhan lab but wherever it needs to go to learn about this virus, to learn about its origins. We know it began in wuhan but we need to figure this out. An ongoing pandemic, still dont cyve transparency and openness we need in china, and if its the World Health Organizations transparency to achieve that transparency, they have to be held accountable and whats been great that the other countries around the i world begin to recognize the w. H. O. s failures as well. When this is an opportunity, mr. Sec to pick them up for the United States to take a leadership role given the closeness that the w. H. O. Has with china which sends a lot of its fraction of the money to the w. H. O. Engiving everything thats happened, shouldnt tedros be called on to resign before we go forward at all in a relationship with the w. H. O. . I think weve got to take a real hard look at the w. H. O. And what we do coming out of this. We reformed this back in 2007 so this is in the first time weve had to deal with the shortcomings of this organization that sits inside the united nations. We need a structural fix for the w. H. O. Laura if we are talking about real accountability, the guy leading the organization, i dont see how we can be part of the solution. Tonight you arent ruling out