Lets talk first about astrazeneca vaccine issues. First they reported positive results but now theres real questions about whether or not that is true. Where do we stand on that . We are trying to understand the fullness of the data. The positive side, a second form of technology has demonstrated efficacy. 60 or 90 . Its really important because it validates the virus selected to be part of the vaccine. Its the same as this coronavirus platform. The question is, why would a different schedule giving a lowered dose the first dose and a higher dose for a second dose to immunize . Why would that be better giving the same dose twice . Frankly, that something we are trying to understand. Were going to measure the immune response its been in use of two different schedules and see whether there is a better immune response. If there is, i think it will validate the fact that there is a better one and potentially we can modify the trials to introduce this differential scheduling with the lower dose and then a higher dose. If there is not, it will open up many more questions to be assessed but will get to the end of it scientifically before any decisions will be made. Paul okay. It seems as if this will put off any approvals on with at least this vaccine. The other two, the messenger rna platform, those have shown 95 or so positive results. Is there any reason to doubt the average american that these will, moderna and Pfizer Vaccines expedite emergency use by the fda . Great, i havent seen any data to suggest that there should be any issue. There completely independent developed vaccines. It is remarkable they are using the same outcome. It validates the fact that the outcome is real in terms of efficacy. In terms of safety for both vaccines as we have discussed, the number and quality of serious adverse events have happened first 60 days after completing the immunization has been unremarkable similar to that of many approved vaccines to further validate the fact that there safety profile in the short but also projected longterm is a good profile. We looked into the manufacturing specifications and quality of the products made we are very miller with the Moderna Program and it is very good so on all fronts, as far as we are informed, things look very good as we look forward to the fda and potentially approving these vaccines by middle of december. Paul then youd have to be able to distribute to 40 million, i guess. Secretary azar has said body and of december and many more millions by the beginning of the year. He has said the state will get the vaccines allocated by population and they will make the decisions about gets it the federal government will give guidelines to the states . Yes. Through the cdc and its advisory committee. Immediately after the fda approves, authorizes these vaccines, we issue a guidance for recommendation for who very likely the highest populations, healthcare workers, older people, people with comorbidities, exactly what sequence is to be confirmed. That is a recommendation. Each state has agencies within each state to decide where and who they want to vaccinate. They need to give an address and a number of those that are there and then we ship them as soon as the vaccine are authorized. Paul this is very exciting news. You had enormous experience developing vaccines in the private sector before you joined the government and its an extraordinary Rapid Development of these vaccines. Unprecedented, really. To what do you attribute this result . Is it the fact that the messenger rna was already under development . What made it work so well . Different factors have. The first one is the technologies, messenger rna is the one. Those are platforms that have been worked on for more than te. They were ready almost like a cassette player ready to play music, they needed the cassette with the right music into it. The second thing, we learned through sars and mers, two other coronavirus is had outbreaks in 2001 in asia and in the late 2000 in the middle east. Very similar to coronavirus. So we learned from those. Which part of the virus should be target . That really allowed to accelerate the process of thinking about a vaccine to being ready to make it. That took, in this instance, literally four or five weeks the messenger rna platform rather than four or five years because we knew what to do. Then we went to the Clinical Development and their, we went fast because we had all the trials before we knew we could do them, it costs a lot of money each time when we did the first trial in the data were positive, we immediately went to the second. We didnt spend time planning or preparing for the trial we ran larger trials than usual because it allowed us to have more cases faster and allowed us to have a better view on the safety of the vaccines. We did it at risk financially, not from the safety of the vaccine. The third thing we did was to invest in manufacturing facilities, we hired the people, the companies doing the manufacturing for vials all at risk. Very shortly after completion of the clinical trials, we were able to have 14 million the doses between these two vaccines. Those are the criteria that have allowed us to go so fast. Paul fascinating and interesting. Thank you for sharing that. Congratulations on all the success here. When we come back, a busy thanksgiving weekend to Supreme Court rejects Andrew Cuomos restrictions on religious worship. President trump, former National Security advisor, Michael Flynn. Our panel is here, next. A busy thanksgiving week is a divided Supreme Court wednesday struck down your governor Andrew Cuomos order restricting attendance at religious services due to covid19. This is President Trump pardoned former National Security advisor, Michael Flynn and a years long prosecution of the retired Army Lieutenant general who pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi. Lets bring an hour panel. Editorial page editor, dan henninger. And jason riley. Jason, Supreme Court decided california and nevada cases to stay out and not challenge the covid restrictions on religious worship at this time, against will most, what changed . Do you like the decision . Jason the decision made by thanksgiving, i really liked it. I think what changed the position of Amy Coney Barrett to the court, chief Justice John Robert john roberts is no longer the swing vote. Conservatives still have a five four majority. I think the decision was extremely welcome pointing out inconsistency here, the governors are doing and explain that we dont put the constitution on ice during pandemics. They need to show consistency with how they are are addressing our Civil Liberties during the pandemic and to go out and say Liquor Stores and bike shops can stay open but churches and synagogues cannot is, of course violation of basic constitutional rentals. Paul dan, if you read those, they have six opinions here on what was a temporary injunction. It wasnt a final ruling but what is fascinating to me is the fireworks back and forth here with some of these opinions. Justice gorsuch unloaded on chief Justice Roberts previous opinion in the california case. What you make of this hot tempered court . Dan well, i certainly would recommend Justice Gorsuch opinion to all of our viewers. It is worth the price of admission. The First Amendment making it a holiday during the pandemic, it does not go on sabbatical leave. What you saw here between Justice Gorsuch and roberts is a difference between Justice Roberts tendency toward pragmatism, bowing toward the needs of governors, and Justice Gorsuch asserting that there are first principles. None more so than the First Amendment exercise of religion that you cannot simply set aside such fundamental rights and principles in the constitution in the interest of pragmatism. Which Justice Roberts had been doing in recent years so i suspect we will see more of this in the future. Paul kim, do you agree with that but this is foretelling of things to come on the core Constitutional Rights like gun rights and other freedoms . Kim lets hope so because with john roberts as the swing vote, it often meant the court docked those decisions. They didnt have the votes to sign up for that. Hopefully there will be clarity and thankfully so because there have been a lot of confusion out there about some really big issues, especially as you said, gun rights just because the court wouldnt take them on. Paul lets turn, kim, i want to ask you about the Michael Flynn part by the president. Long saga for flynn. He wrote a column. Tell us why. Kim welcome mike flynn he was terribly treated by the fbi which essentially trapped him. Bob miller couldnt find on collusion so went after those charges. Hes been treated terribly by sullivan despite the fact the department of justice wanted to withdraw these charges after a review by longtime u. S. Attorney saying they should never have been brought, the judge refused to dismiss the case. It would have been better for the judge to have simply assigned off on this and got victory in court but it looked unlikely you would ever do it so this was the only way to get justice in the end. Paul jason, what is the larger lesson here you take away from the flynn case . A former colleague, editor, will judge sullivan except the parting ask and continue the prosecution . What is the larger lesson . Jason that what happened to flynn can happen to anyone. That is why this case is so important. The fbi was duped by russian disinformation investigating a president ial campaign and general flynn was a casualty of that. He was essentially entrapped by the fbi so if they can do it to him, they can do it to others. If they can do it to the Trump Campaign, they can do it to other campaigns and thats why this is a big deal. President trump did the right thing. Paul thank you all. Still ahead, the Trump Campaign continues to press its claims of voter fraud, the president ial transition gets underway to Senate Runoffs in georgia heats up. With talk about the stakes in georgia and the president move when we come back. As states continue to survive the results of the 2020 election, the president ial transition officially got underway this week by President Trumps legal team is continuing to push ahead. With challenges meeting wednesday with lawmakers in pennsylvania to discuss election irregularities. Many in washington are turning their attention to the georgia runoffs that will determine control of the United States senate. South carolinas Lindsey Graham reminding republicans of what is at stake. If we lose these senate seats in georgia, pelosi will run the house, schumer run the senate and if the president falls short and biden gets to be president , he will have pelosi, schumer and biden for big government. Paul President Trump set to head to georgia for a rally with the republican candidates next weekend. Lets bring in wall street journal columnist, kyle siri and Senior Advisor to president George W Bush and heading up a republican fundraising effort for those two georgia races. Lets talk about the challenges to the election. As a any evidence you see so far there would be enough to turn over the results of the popular vote in enough states to deny joe biden 270 electoral votes . No. Ive seen things that are worth exploring that moat might affect the number of folks the president elect biden received in certain states but no, nothig that would suggest to me this would not end up being 306 Electoral College votes to 232 with biden while about 270 but there are things worth exploring and there are big issues that need to be resolved before the next election, particularly in states that decide they will rely more on mail in ballots than in previous elections. Paul when you say worth exploring, leave aside the next election but what about this one . What is still worth exploring this election . I am mystified. We had the gettysburg panel, for navy officer and scientists who claim he saw an Election Officials using usb drives to upload potentially upload data into the system. That is worth exploring. Many ballots, was on those usbs, did it really happen . Was the case there . Weve had all kinds of allegations about hugo and the computer this and 160 that but we never had that verified by being put in a lawsuit and filed. This apparently about this incident from former navy officer occurred three weeks ago. Why are we only hearing about this week . Why has nothing been done to build on that it is mystifying to me. Paul is not just a function of the fact that the trump team doesnt have its legal act together . It sounds like it would be if you havent filed your cases y yet. Karl absolutely. And that is why the problem i wrote in the journal ever weeks ago said time is running out and when you begin to certify as the states are certifying month the threshold of overturning certification becomes significantly higher. The problem is by december 1, we are likely to have all six states they talked about having certified or the case of pennsylvania delay temporarily and we will see what happened but my sense is, these cases are so nebulous that the Trump Campaign is unlikely to prevail in any of them. Paul what about the idea that some people, including the president on occasion, i guess privately at least, state legislatures in pennsylvania or other states run by republicans, could overturn the popular vote in the state and delivered the electorate for trump as opposed to biden . Karl state legislatures are composed of people elected by small districts around their state they are not prone to political was i. I think we saw this in the handling of the issue by the two michigan leaders who were brought to the white house. They made it clear beforehand that they would not overturn the will of the people. Michigan, president elect biden is lead by 150,000 votes so they had a meeting with the president and the issue didnt even come up in the meeting. This is not going to happen. Unless there was there evidence of fraud, widespread deep fraud that the American People or an individual state could accept. No individual will say my loyalty to the present requires me to overturn the will of the people of the state. Paul what is the impact of these legal challenges on the two Senate Runoffs in georgia . Youve seen the president criticized the secretary of state. You seen him criticized the governor. Could you end up with broken electorate that is demoralized and lets the democrats in control of the senate . Karl this has been a concern of the people in georgia, absolutely is a concern. The good news is, last weekend the president lawyer, was a democrat from nevada and basically suggested were publicans of the state should not consider supporting senators because of this. On sunday night, donald trump junior tweeted that this was nonsense, in all caps and nobody should Pay Attention to people making that suggestion and the fact that the president now be campaigning shortly. The Vice President was there for two days last week, an indication the white house clearly understands great deal of the president s legacy will hang on whether or not the republicans carry these two seats in georgia. If they do, the democrats will have a lot more difficulty in doing his legacy starting with tax cuts. If the democrats control the senate, they dont need to change the rules but they can use the budget control act of 1974 in whats called budget reconciliation to do it with 50 votes. Kamala harris sitting in the chair. So absolutely, there will be an administration will be there. They are doing a lot of things to help the campaign with robo calls and text messaging and so forth. Paul thanks. Appreciate it. Thanks for coming in. Still ahead, Dow Jones Industrial average gets 30,000 is the u. S. Economy continues to show resilience amid the pandemic. Can joe biden, soon announced keeping the recovery going . The Dow Jones Industrial average passing the 3000 mark for the first time this week. The milestone comes as president elect joe biden gets set to announce his Economic Team next week with former Federal Reserve chair, janet reportedly tapped u. S. Secreta secretary. We are back with dan and maria mariana. Lets talk about how strong the economy is now. Theres real concern because of the new infection spike that we could be dipping into a second recession, what you see . I am not that worried about it, i think it will be natural have a pullback but transmission rates have already dropped back down in europe and i think using this method of walk them down, and very small areas when there is an outbreak but not walking down the whole economy will be helpful. Also, the feds having such low Interest Rates going to help us limp along. I think we are in a race against time because if the vaccine comes, as we hope it will, i think we will make it through this and of course the market is anticipating six to nine months down the road so i am optimistic for 2021 even if we do have a throwdown in the first. Paul it is fascinating to reaching that the