Helped us find and kill usama bin laden. Senate democrats say its not true. They allege the cia did not learn anything of value and tarnished the reputation of the usa in the process. At the end of the day, the one thing getting some agreement, tonight americans at home and abroad are at greater risk than they were 24 hours ago. Was it worth it . We have team fox coverage tonight with brit hume, mike roger, ed henry and former Deputy White House press secretary bill burton. But we begin with our chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge who is live in washington. Reporter on the senate floor democratic chairwoman Dianne Feinstein said the program shut down six years ago is a stain on americas values. History will judge us by our commitment to a just society governed by law and the willingness to face an ugly truth and say never again. Reporter on the allegation the cia program was not effective, a former cia officer with firsthand knowledge of the interrogations says 9 11 architect Khalid Sheikh mohammed, one of three detainees waterboarded by the cia generated 2,000 intelligence reports, and it was a matrix of information from Khalid Sheikh mohammed, his nephew and a third detainee combined with Technical Intelligence that identified usama bin ladens courier and their hideout in pakistan where navy s. E. A. L. S killed the terror leader in 2011. Writing in the wall street journal, george tenet, porter goss and Michael Hayden and their senior deputies say it fails to reveal the obvious, it took al qaeda leadership off the battlefield and that saved lives. The former directors say the program led to the capture of al qaedas east asia chief who was behind the attack in bali where two suicide bombers killed more than 200 people and the department of justice investigators today working for attorney general holder said they reviewed the Senate Investigation and found nothing new that would change their decision not to bring criminal charges against cia officers. It seems as though the study takes every opportunity to unfairly portray the cia in the worst light possible. Presupposing improper motivations and the most detestable behavior at every turn. And tonight fox news confirming that the fbi and Homeland Security have sent a joint warning to Law Enforcement that the Senate Report could, in fact, spark violence. Catherine, thank you. Joining us now chairman of the House Intelligence Committee congressman mike rogers. Thank you for being here tonight. So lets start with what president obama said today about why we need to release this despite your representations and the representations of others that it will put americans here and abroad at risk. Here he is. Theres never a perfect time to release a report like this, but it was important for us, i think, to recognize that part of what sets us apart is when we do something wrong, we acknowledge it. Your reaction, sir . Well, this makes no sense to me whatsoever, megyn. Were a nation at war. Weve got a problem with isil in iraq and eastern syria, weve got problems in yemen, weve got problems in north africa. We have u. S. Personnel, both intelligence officials and our military and our special operators in harms way, and again, when you look at why would we release it now . What did we have to gain . All of this has been debated, all of this has been settled. We understood all of that. Clearly even the administration knew it was going to cause trouble. They sent out warnings all across the world to improve their security at embassies, our intelligence officials are trying to figure out how they improve their security wherever theyre operating around the world. So whats this about . So you tell me why. What is this about . Because Dianne Feinstein is upset that the cia spied on congress . Well, i mean, again that is all part of another investigation, im not even sure that is completely an accurate portrayal. Wolf blitzer asked about why she was doing it and talked about how the cia has been obfuscating and how the cia has made this cost tens of millions of dollar and how the cia then spied on congress and tried to change the results here and she seemed very upset and then he asked her, to his credit, why are you doing this now when it may put american lives in danger and i want to play for the viewers what happened. Heres that soundbite. If americans are killed as a result of this report, i assume you would feel guilty about that . I would feel very badly, of course. I mean, what do you think, wolf blitzer . So shell feel badly, but shes doing it anyway. I think this is more than the senator and the chairman of the committee. I think shes under tremendous pressure from many others in the senate who are pushing to have this report released. And really i think for all the wrong reasons. How do you look these families in the eye and say, well, we know that weve asked you to go in harms way, weve asked you to risk your life. Were just going to make it a little more difficult because we dont want to wait a year or two years or more appropriate time maybe when were not at war, we dont have people in harms way to release this inflammatory report. And think about this, megyn. This is whats very concerning about this. What if ten years from now, somebody came back and said, president obama, you released gitmo prisoners to countries who were not adequately prepared to handle them. They were either abused or got someone killed. Maybe we should revisit that decision and charge people with a crime. And by the way, United Nations folks are already calling that these folks should be prosecuted, another problem we have. Now you have this growing problem and now you have a case officer who is working in a very dangerous place in the world who expects that the United States is going to stand with them because weve asked them to do very hard and difficult things to protect america. Do they have to turn around and look back and wonder if the United States is going to be with them or in a few years theyre going to get a subpoena about having to come in and testify about something their government asked them to do . Worry about a persons safety. Mr. Chairman, great to see you tonight. Joining us brit hume. They say this was the program which was authorized by the lawyers within the federal government and signed off on by the cia lawyers as well was carried out by 40 to 50 cia analysts, contractors, et cetera. Now weve got thousands of troops in harms way, many of whom had nothing to do with this. They went to serve after. And we release this on the heels of having released it years ago. Its not new. Now these men and women, their lives are in jeopardy for something they didnt do, they didnt authorize, but somebody, all the democrats namely on the senate intel committee, think its important because i mean, i guess the president says its important to admit our mistakes over and over and over again. This is extraordinary, megyn. There are several things here, some of which have already been touched on. But remember this document, yes, it is officially because the democrats have the majority of the committee, a committee report, but all the republicans declined to participate in this. The players who are the ones responsible for this program were not, not any of them, interviewed by the committee. This is based entirely on documents acquired by the committee. They say, theyre fond of saying that Dianne Feinstein and others are fond of saying, well, we couldnt interview those people because they were under Justice Department investigation. That investigation was concluded a couple years ago. Catherine herridge pointed out to me earlier, they had the last two years when they could have interviewed the players in this. As Marc Thiessen said to me a few minutes ago, look, what do we just decry when Rolling Stone did it, that is a report without having ever consulted the people who are basically accused here. They didnt do that. More important than any of it, megyn, is it would be one thing to create these kinds of risks, risks which are being noted by the pentagon, rifb rifbs that noted by the state department and who called die on feinstein about the timing of all this. The risks are demonstrably real. Mike rogers just referred to them as well. If this were still a practice going on that Dianne Feinstein was determined to take risks to stop, that would be one thing. But this stuff was all discontinued seven years ago. President obama with his, you know, fathomless, you know, overwhelming selfregard was saying he stopped it, but it stopped before he took office. So what is this . Theyd been doing these techniques for years. Is this orthodoxy thats too tempting to review the since, if you consider this a sin, committed by some in this country and any chance to be exploited . Look, Dianne Feinstein is a highly respected member of the senate and with good reason. Shes been one of the senates grownups, respected on both sides of the aisle for many years now. This is unlike her, the Dianne Feinstein weve known. The only thing i can say about it is shes mad at the cia over alleged spying on her staff while they were compiling this report, but shes been mad at the cia for a while. I dont say she did this in quite a fit of personal pique because shes been on this for years. This does feed into Party Orthodoxy about the evils of the cia and all the rest of it, but its very hard to explain Dianne Feinsteins behavior here. I find it striking. Look, the thing about this fight, this will renew the debate over enhanced interrogation techniques, but that debate ended years ago. One side won and it was her side. In my view, this is reopening an old wound and a debate long ago settled in favor of discontinuing the practices that she now says the American People have to be told about. Well, theyve known about it for years. Now, its just been expanded upon and brought to the national forefront. Reopened. And to the danger of those men and women who are serving this country right now and can do nothing about this. I mean, how would you like to have a child over there who is in harms way who has no nothing can do nothing other than wait for an increased attack or threat level in the wake of this decision . I got to go, brit, but im going to see you again very shortly. Brit humes going to join us in a bit to talk about that uva scandal he referenced. More of what the president is saying on this, plus, as i mentioned, brit will rejoin us again. Coming up, stand by, coming up, were going to talk about that university of virginia rape allegations because the School President decided to handle things in a rather interesting way when she found out there may be some real problems with this one students account of an alleged assault at a frat house. Wait until you see what shes now doing to these fraternities. 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But in the next paragraph this president said these very same patriots acted against American Values. Thats a contradiction. As brit hume noted, secretary of state john kerry was trying to massage the release of this when it would come out, but then today Vice President biden said the opposite. He was hailing the transparency of this. I think its a badge of honor. Every country, every country has engaged in activities somewhere along the line that it has not been proud of, but think about it, name me another country thats prepared to stand up and say this was a mistake. Now, Vice President bidens predecessor former Vice President dick cheney is having none of that. He told the New York Times that this report was a crock. He went on to say that the intelligence officials, quote, they deserve a lot of praise as far as im concerned, they ought to be decorated, not criticized. Whats interesting about the split within the administration the current cia director seemed to side with cheney and not the current president , john brennan saying he believes these enhanced techniques brought in intelligence that stopped terror attacks. The cia has said the same, past cia operatives. Joining me now bill burton, press secretary under president obama and executive of global strat jess group. President obama came out today and said enhanced interrogations made it harder to pursue intelligence with our partners. Lets assume thats true. Why keep highlighting that . I think as you had in that clip from joe biden. Its a uniquely american thing to take something from something that americans did, didnt do right and actually explore it, explain it to the American People and make a clean break from the past and move forward. Havent we already done that . Well, the president the very first days of his administration put an end to these enhanced interrogation techniques, but that didnt mean there didnt have to be a full accounting of information of what happened out but that all came out. This is incremental. That presupposes that the information that came out in this report, that none of the information in this report is new when in fact there is quite a bit of new information inside this report that i think brings a chapter of a kind of ugly part of American History to a close. What about the statements from the pentagon, from the department of Homeland Security, that this is placing american lives at risk . Those men and women who bear the uniform of the United States right now are in harms way, not to mention those who work for the cia, that their lives are at increased danger tonight because the Senate Democrats felt the need to share this Additional Information on a program we already knew about and already stopped . Look, ive got friends and family who are in the military right now. Ive got great friends who i know are tremendous patriots who are in the cia, and i think that when you sign up for those jobs, you sign up for what is very hard, youre putting your life at risk, you are certainly putting your health at risk. They knew what they were signing up for. And attacked by the enemy, not an attack by Senate Democrats. This is not an attack by Senate Democrats. What if somebody loses their life as a result of this information . Ill give you the floor, but god forbid theres some sort of a terror attack on an embassy, on a cia analyst, on an outpost, on our military, and this is cited as a reason or this is obviously an inspiration, i mean, im sure Dianne Feinstein is going to feel bad even though she didnt do the enhanced interrogation, she wasnt the one, although she was authorized she was briefed on it. I mean, is it worth having causing the loss of lives effectively . Well, megyn, god forbid that anyone puts that on senator feinstein or puts it on anybody in the United States government if a terrorist does something horrible and takes the life of an american over information you say has already been out there or for any reason at all, thats not the fault of someone in washington, d. C. , thats the fault of these crazed madmen who are out there trying to do anything to hurt americans at home and abroad. And so our fight is with those folks. Its not with people at home who are trying to do the right thing and express American Values by making sure that were being transparent about the things that we think are important, about showing the world who america is and what were proud of and what were not proud of. It has nothing to do with those people, it has to do with the enem