Caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. The factor begins right now. Hi im bill oreilly. Isis terror in america. That is the subject of this evenings talking points memo. 26yearold usama rahim shot dead by fbi agent and Boston Police officer. His nephew, 25yearold david wright has been arrested by federal agents in the same case. Apparently these men were inspired by isis to kill americans. One other suspect is being investigated in new england. Enter, antimuslim activist Pamela Geller who allegedly was a target of rahim and who has been criticized by the Southern Poverty Law Center for rabble rousing. Are you stoking the flames . Do you on some level relish being the target of these attacks . Relish being the target . Who selfpromotes to get killed . Thats the first thing. The second thing is the Southern Poverty Law Center, really erin . Since when . Who designated them anything . They are an uber left group. They dont track jihadist groups and groups that actually target for slaughter. Ms. Geller is correct. The much Southern Poverty Law Center does not concern itself with terrorism concentrating on protecting minorities like muslim americans. There is no question the isis threat is growing here. And the fbi knows it. We closely analyze and assess the influence groups like isil have on individuals located in the United States who are inspired to commit acts of violence. Thats threats remain among the highest priorities for the fbi and Intelligence Community as a whole. Thats good because isis is a threat to every single american. Somebody tell president obama. It is almost beyond belief that these militant jihadists have been allowed to accumulate power. The group should have been confronted a long time ago. America and nato do not have the will, do not have the will to protect their populations. Its a lot like al qaeda before the 9 11 attack. Back then, u. S. Intelligence knew al qaeda was growing in strength and training people in afghanistan for terrorist missions. We knew that. And we did little. Now, isis is growing in power, threatening a half dozen countries and encouraging violence all over the world on social media its a matter of time before isisdriven violence happens in the u. S. A. Good police work prevented that in boston a city very vigilant since the Boston Marathon terror attack. The cant stop everyone. Isis is are infiltrating at this moment into this country. Troubled people already here like the people in boston are heeding the call of the jihad. Meantime, president obama still does not have a strategy to defeat isis in syria where its based nor iraq where you its causing an enormous amount of trouble. This week the bogus 60 Nation Coalition against isis met in france to discuss what to do. As of this evening those discussions have produced nothing. Again, there is little will to do whats necessary confronting the isis fighters where they are and killing them. Bombing is not going to do it. We have tried that for nearly a year. Isis continues to gain power. So three cheers for the fbi and the Boston Police, which put an end to a murderous plot. But three jeers with a j to the western nations that continue to dither over the terror threat. And ajeer to cnn for challenging ms. Geller in a totally inappropriate way. In this case she was a target and that should have been the headline. And thats the memo. Now for the top story tonight, reaction, joining us from boise idaho mike baker. And here in knox former director of Homeland Security for the state of new york. Why do you think president obama is reluctant to take action against isis directly . He ran on the whole campaign of withdrawing the forces from the middle east. And has not really formed a Foreign Policy that directs what we should be doing. Thats a vacuum thats a void. Syria, bright red line. We havent had a coherent or consistent policy. Its incompetence or is it ideological . I think it begins ideologically. We dont want to get in the middle east. We are war reary. Thats understandable. At the same time you cant expect the United States to step back away from the situation and not expect any repercussions. The options are no longer enough. Particularly with isis is as you pointed out have a very sophisticated recruiting. Social media all over the place. Mr. Baker, do you agree with my analysis that this is almost exactly like the al qaeda threat in the late 19 the 0s. U. S. Intel knew this group al qaeda was training in afghanistan and we didnt do anything about it and then, bang, 3,000 americans are dead on 9 11. I think its exactly the same thing. What say you . Well, i think its very similar. I think its worse now than it was then. Look, this is not like the al qaeda model in the sense. And the problem is that now the extremists have their strongest recruiting platform that they have ever had. And thats the physical manifestation of a caliphate. The islamic state. The actual territory that you refer to. And, the fact that that exists is one of the primary reasons they are having so much success in pulling people into the dark side. Let me stop you there. The same thing existed in the late 90s in afghanistan. If you wanted to be an al qaeda recruit you could go there, because the taliban are in charge. And you could get into a camp a physical camp. All right. Al qaeda had had a physical presence. Just as you rightly pointed out isis has. If you want to join isis, all you do is show up to a town in syria and say i want to you know they will either behead you or put new a black uniform one of the two. Depending on how you could convince them. Why is the threat worse now than it was back then . Its an actual caliphate. What they had in afghanistan. Al qaeda had essentially a fenced area that they could plot plan and train for. It wasnt the extent. Its not again this caliphate. So your opinion the isis victory or the isis success is more that be the al qaeda success was before 9 11. Now, let me ask you the same question i asked mr. Barbony. President obama gets intel reports every single day. He knows more than me or you or mr. Barbony. He sees it. Is it incompetence he has no strategy or. I dont think its ideological. I dont think he is up to the job frankly. And i think that they are incurious to some degree how this plays out among the various players. They are hopeful and naive in their hopefulness that somehow the saudis and jordanians and others will take this fight. Look, we are at the top of the food chain the white house isnt comfortable being at the top of the food chain. I think you are right. I think its a lack of leadership. Now, the solution, in your opinion, to the isis problem is what . That we have to produce a counter narrative. They are out there. And one of the dangers that we have is they get the person sitting on the couch here in america to join this fight. That is so difficult for Law Enforcement, Security Forces to be able to track and respond to. Yet, what we are not doing is they are the most sophisticated terrorist group we have on the net. Why arent we responding . Yeah, but you are never going to convince nuts. If you are nuts and you hate america, no matter what the usa said they are not going to convince you not to. Look at kids leading middle class or wealthy lives. They are troubled kids. We have to stop them and make sure that in the middle east people know when you go overseas and you get involved, there is a good chance you are not coming home. All right. Can you get that message out. Mr. Baker, last question for you, how would you confront isis had you had the power . Well, first of all we have got to take away their territory. Were going to have to be at the pointy edge of that spear. We have got to get involved with the limited air campaign is not going to do it. The other part of the fact is when you talk to the bureau and you talk to state and federal Law Enforcement that worry about this every hour of every day two things stabbed out. One is things stand out. Law enforcement has open investigation, hundreds and hundreds of them in every state of the union. Several hundred investigations into violent extremist cases here in the states. The other problem is there is no profile. When you say whats the single profile how do we identify these people here domestically, there isnt a single profile. Its the white male muslim convert. Its the teenage girls its the iraqi refugees. Its an extremely difficult task. Thats why we are lucky we have good people but i think its just a matter of time. Gentlemen, thanks very much for a good discussion. 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What does that mean that he has jumped the shark . He has jumped the shark with the g. O. P. Party faithful. I think in particular on Foreign Policy. He came to this race with a lot of energy, a promise to unite the party and also to find new voters for the republicans which i think that he could actually do. But, in the meantime, if Foreign Policy is, according to according to the latest fox news poll released yesterday. Yeah. One of the top issues for g. O. P. , primary voters in 2016 rand paul basically took a scorched earth policy to the base this past week on the nsa issue. So, because he doesnt want the government to store up calls you believe that most republicans will turn against him . I think thats not the way that they hear it okay. I think that they say we want the Intelligence Community to have all the tools that they need. They believe that the nsa was doing what they needed to do. They would have been okay with some modification. But where rand paul crossed the line is where he suggested that just because he had a position that a lot of people agree with, but he said that republicans want there to be a terrorist attack so that they can blame him. Yeah, he said that in response to, what, huckabee or somebody like that . Well, it was supposedly graham and mccain. And in addition he fund raised off of the issue. Rather than taking a principled stand. Thats your you believe he has jumped a shark. Im not sure people are paying that close attention but we will see. You also say you are very provocative these days hanging around with bowling and these people on the five. Not to mention gutfeld. You also say the republicans better be careful to match hillary Hillary Clintons rhetoric in what way . Also in her record. In this new fox news poll i thought it was interesting the economy is still important. The Foreign Policy. Hillary clinton is going to be able to say im the one with the most experience in this race when it comes to Foreign Policy. You are kidding right . She is going to be able to say that on her resume. Do you really think she is going to say that resume is a resume. We asked every democrat that we could find what her accomplishments have been since she has been secretary of state and they wont say anything. Do you know what they were. Myanmar. Thats not going well. Well, let me make my case here and then you can tell me okay. Four years secretary of state, correct. Yes. She doesnt have one accomplishment she can point, to not one. Isis is a disaster. Iran is a disaster. Disaster in libya. Benghazi didnt provide security for the ambassador. Now, you are telling me she is going to run on that . Come on. She is definitely going to run on that with the Democratic Base and they will turn out and say she has more Foreign Policy experience. Republicans can say i might not have the exact four Years Experience as secretary clinton. Thank god. But i see the playbook she left us is one we should not follow. Can i tell you something in all due respect alf can beat her do you remember that puppet alf. Thats why republicans ought to be careful. The democratic faithful who turn out. Democrats are going to vote for her no matter. What she could turn into bruce jenner they would still vote for her. Americans are not going to buy it unless you have an accomplishment. She has no accomplishments. She will say that all of these people who spent time in governorships or United States senate dont have the experience that she does. The experience like she does . Are you kidding me . She will say it. It will be persuasive to some people. Republicans just have to factor that in. I would just love i dont know. I just cant imagine but you know, you may be right. So buy deign naps book. Okay. Good. The good news is, right . 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They sent me and other reporters email last night saying there will be absolutely no interviews of former secretary of state Hillary Clinton after she gives the speech on Voting Rights and then they went on to say this was the killer line, the speech will serve as the interview. I have never heard anyone say that. Democrat republican, independent, again we have been out here on the road with her. She is taking very few questions. Most candidates they give their spiel Voting Rights, healthcare whatever they want to talk about. But then at the end they will take questions. To take it to the next level and say the speech itself is the interview is a statement i have just never heard. Okay. Universal Voting Rights means everybody should be registered. You dont have to do anything. Automatic i guess if you are a american citizen. What if you sneak in here can you still vote . Is there any differential . You wouldnt know because you couldnt ask her a question right . We cant and exactly. 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