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FOXNEWSW The Story With Martha MacCallum August 9, 2017

Statement today. We told you last night said that kim jongun threatened guam and tonight they added a timeline. Within the last hour, the north koreas say they will strikeout an attack in a matter of days. It was on the island of guam earlier today that Rex Tillerson sought to reassure nervous americans. I think the president , what the president is doing is sending a strong message to north korea in language that kim jongun would understand. He doesnt seem to understand diplomatic language. Americans should sleep well at night. Have no concerns about this particular rhetoric of the last few days. In moments, we will be joined by experts from the military and diplomatic ranks. We begin with Trace Gallagher live in our west coast bureau. Trace . The north Korean Military released the exact information on how fast the four missiles will fly towards guam and how the north intends on letting them explode in the waters instead of on the u. S. Territory. That doesnt matter, a close strike would be considered an attack on the u. S. Soil. The north korean statement indicates that President Trump isnt getting it saying sound dialogue isnt possible with such a guy bereft of reason and only absolute force can work on him. Guam is not only a u. S. Territory but a military base. Meantime, here at home, were on a roller coaster of rhetoric. First, the president made his fire and fury comment and Rex Tillerson tried to lower the volume saying he doesnt believe theres any eminent threat of an attack from north korea. And that nothing about the situation has changed dramatically in the last 24 hours. But hours after tillersons comments, defense secretary james mattis warned that north korea should stand down because allied military has the most robust defensive and offensive capabilities on earth. Amid all of this, the state Department Says the administration is on the same page. Watch. Whether its the white house, the state department, the department of defense, were speaking with one voice. The world is in fact speaking with one voice. We saw that as it came out of the u. N. Security council with the resolution that passed less than a week ago. The white house further clarified saying the fire and fury words were adlibbed by the president but the tough tone message was known by his top advisers and National Security team. While kim jongun continues to make bold threats, the u. S. Missile Defense System stands at the ready both on navy ships in the pacific and groundbased missile intercepters in california and alaska. First, the problem is during testing, Defense System has only worked about half the time. Dana . Trace, thanks so much. So what are the options for this threat . Michael walsh is with us and stephen haggard, a professor of korea studies at the university of san diego and lisa epstein. Thanks for being here. Michael, if i could start with you. We just have this breaking news coming from north korea that they think that absolute force is the only thing that they could do to work with President Trump on this matter. What do you make of their comments and the calculus that they are thinking through . Thats what has to change. Both with the chinese and the North Koreans. Their strategic calculus. Right now, kim jongun believes that he must have a Nuclear Program capable of hitting the United States, japan, south korea in order to ensure his survival, in order to prevent him from being the next Saddam Hussein or the next qaddafi. We need to make him understand that if he achieves that capability he will not survive. He will fail. We have to importantly change the chinese calculus. The thing that they most fear is a unified Korean Peninsula that is friendly to the United States and the west on their borders or a failed north korean state and they have to deal with a 25 million refugee problem and we have to make the chinese understand that war on the peninsula is a very real possibility, that we will not accept a nuclearized east asia and that that would be a worse outcome so that the chinese begin to take meaningful action. Stephen, if i can get your expertise on what you think kim jongun is thinking right now and how serious these threats are or is it mostly bluster . Are they bluffing . Well, i think we have to bring the temperature down a little bit. Secretary tillerson has outlined what i think is a reasonably coherent strategy. The administration had a win over the weekend at the u. N. By getting the chinese and the russians to sign on to very tough sanctions resolution. Now with this new war of words, weve pushed off of that strategy seems to me and tried to go back to threats, which are only going to get the North Koreans to pursue their weapons programs and Missile Program more aggressively. So i think we should lower the temperature a bit and get back to what the secretary was doing before this last round of words. Ethan, you said we can only really hope for half measures at this point what do you mean by that . I fear theres an element of us scurrying to close the barn door now the horse is out. This is basically a 25year period where the North Koreans have pursued nuclear and Missile Programs. Their end goal, which as we have all established, is Nuclear Missiles capable of hitting the United States is tantalizingly within reach. Theyre very real doubts to whether we can do anything to forestall that. Right now we want to retard the process, limit any further progress. Ultimately stopping the position in its tracks are or stopping the program in its tracks are a tall order at this point. Michael, let me ask you about the intel. We had that word yesterday that maybe its possible. I dont know if we have direct confirmation yet. North korea is much further ahead than our intelligence had shown up till now. Where do you think that breakdown is and i know that its very difficult for us to get assets to north korea. Is it possible that we might not know what theyre capable of doing . Keep in mind, these are intel assessments. Depending on our access and placement in the targeted area or country depends on how accurate they are. I find it very interesting and curious of why over the last few months weve gone from president obama telling incoming President Trump that the North Koreans will have this capability before the end of his term, four to five years, to then we progress to they have the capability next year in 2018 to now they have it. So either so either something dramatically changed over in north korea and their capabilities and accelerated or our assessments have been a bit off. Thats something worth looking into it. To the other point in cooling things down, i agree we have to work through cyber, covert, tougher sanctions. The North Koreans and the chinese need to believe the military option is real. And what do you think, stephen . Do you they think we would do a preemptive strike . Were all for peace. What do you think that kim jongun is thinking about that possibility . Well, i have no problem with secretary mattis and the president saying all options on the table. Its a statement of fact. The United States is a powerful country. We have lots of options. Some have high costs. The question is really where we want to go now from where we are. As i said, i think we have a strategy which may be low probability to get the North Koreans back to talks. But the North Koreans are not going to magically wake up one morning and choose to disarm. Theyre only going to do that through some process of negotiations and we need to get the chinese on board to do that. The u. N. Security Council Resolution was a move in the right direction. Shows the chinese are fed up as well. You say you would support blocking oil imports to the country. You were recently in seoul. You said things were calm then. Based on your information, is that still true . Yes. Just yesterday was meeting with my sources in the south korean government here in washington. Unbeknownst to me the fire and fury was raging and i didnt know about it. My sense from the south koreans, theyre fairly calm about it. One of them made a very good point which ill proceed to plagiarize. Theres a certain sort of strategic ambiguity that the Trump Administration is pursuing right now. Sort of seems like Rex Tillerson is saying a different thing than what President Trump is saying. My diplomat friend said this could be useful. The North Koreans learned to a tee what to expect from the obama administration. They know how obama would react to any provocations and probably knew the same about george w. Bush and clintons administrations as well. The fact that theyre kind of guessing and sort of on their back feet right now is an asset that we should condemn we should congratulate the Trump Administration for achieving that. Well, your insights have been invaluable. Well probably ask you back. Thanks. Thank you. Critics quick to hit the president for unprecedented threats towards north korea. Are they forgetting moments like this . Its pointless for them to try to develop Nuclear Weapons. If they ever used them, it would be the end of their country. Ed henry is here next on how President Trumps language isnt outside the norm versus his predecessors. Mitch mcconnell charging President Trump with excessive expectations of congress. 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Now it looks a little bit like we have our nut with nukes. This is the first time that the dangerous apocalyptic statements of the north korean regime have been met by dangerous apocalyptic statements of the president of the United States. The last long stuck with us. Is this long language unprecedented . Ed henry is live at the white house tonight with that record. Ed . Dana, good to see you. Its not just democratic lawmakers and liberals slamming President Trump. You have john mccain saying that he long ago gave up trying to understand the president s words in general. And saying hes not sure how this Nuclear Rhetoric really helps in this specific situation. Yet mccain, democrats and those in the Mainstream Media attacking the president ands will jacking up this claim that the president is driving us into a war keep pushing the same narrative that the last three president s have all been very careful to use diplomatic language with north korea and that this is a big shift. What many of those critics are failing to mention two key facts. One, careful diplomatic language was used by the last three american president s sometimes as north korea kept passing nuclear thresholds. Secondly, the president s used stark language themselves about the possibility of the u. S. Blowing north korean to smithereens. And there was little or no criticism of those comments that we have, yes, on tape. Its pointless for them to try to develop Nuclear Weapons. If they ever used them, it would be the end of their country. North korea has defied the will of the International Community and the International Community will respond. Together we will ensure that north korea understands the consequences if they continue down its current path. We are not hesitate to use our military might to defend our allies and way of life. We couldnt obvious l obviouy north korea with our arsenals. And then Hillary Clinton served as secretary of state for four years as north korea edged closer to Getting Nuclear Weapons that could reach the United States. Last september as kim jongun conducted a nuclear test in the waning days of the president ial campaign, clinton released a statement trying to show her own toughness saying this is a direct threat to the United States and we cannot and will never accept this. Clinton said the answer was tough new sanctions to deal with north korea. Thats not proven to be true. President trump as a candidate vowed that he would force, use the word force china to deal with this for the u. S. Economically. That has not worked out either, dana. Dana now its on the president s plate and he has to play with the cards hes been dealt. Thanks very much. And now brian and matt are here. Brian, i remember back in right after 911 when was bush said bring it on. Dead or alive. And the media really went after him saying hes a cowboy and a war monger. But i feel like comments like the ones President Trump made yesterday could fit the moment. At least you know where he stands. What do you think . I think what you get out of the left and the media is sort of silly politics. I remember a time when Ronald Reagan referred to the soviet union as the evil empire. I was a young kid. I remember the left and the democrats going crazy then. I think its important that the president set a marker yesterday just as reagan set a marker 25 years ago. This is a very delicate situation that requires diplomacy and everything at the table. What it doesnt require is silly politics coming into the filter. We have a different calculus now. Matt, i know that president obama has said that in his transition meetings with President Trump, one of the first thing he told him the toughest problem were leaving for you is north korea. We said earlier, might have been sooner than anybody would want. But this is the one that he will have to play. What do you make of yesterdays comments . I think as your packet showed, three president s have grappled with this unsuccessfully. Theyve been marching towards having Nuclear Weapons unrelentingly through three administrations because the problem is theres really nothing that we can do without endangering the lives of millions of people in seoul who are within artillery distance of the North Koreans. So there really isnt a lot of good opt

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