This attack that weve experienced as a form of war. Its a form of war on our fundamental democratic principles. Its amazing that in that relatively small campaign, small circle so to speak, that you would have so many people with so many deep connections to russia. My impression is i wouldnt be a rise that after all is said and done, some people end up in jail. Tucker theyre going to jail. By the hysteria, looks like the rice story will be here for a while. Trump a claim that rice may have committed a crime. E. Rices spokesman described that is ludicrous. Matt miller once ran the department of justice, he joins us now. So weve had every night for the past three months of debate on this show on the facts of the case and im agnostic. I think russia probably wants to do bad things to the United States and always has. But what do we know . We still dont know anything. And so what id like to ask you about tonight is the psychological component to this. Is there a purpose for democratt to make all policy discussions about Vladimir Putin and russia a purpose beyond just sort of answering why they lost . I think the purpose for democrats and i would hope itsy the purpose for republicans as well is to findcr out what happened. I think the biggest question is was there collusion between the Trump Campaign in Trump Associates and the Russian Intelligence Services and,mp investigating a question of one committee at and congress is investigating well and another is humbled its investigation. Thats the reason. Tucker the mounties are on the case. The fbi and i presume youre not suggesting theyre in the pocket of the trump administration. And youve got the Congressional Committee is working on this som good hands. But the obsession with just say so. I wouldnt say its in good hands. Tucker the department of justice is on this. You think we just came back and say we will find out and make judgments them. Instead you saw the montage we ran. You have one congressman which member of the Intel Committee saying thatre people attacking susan rice are racist. Then you have another member of congress saying he knows exactly why Vladimir Putin does this, he is in his head somehow. Theyre declaring war and you have a fourth saying people should go to jail. E and talk about getting overve that. This is a psychological condition at this point. Et they dont know anything we dont know and yet theyre calling for jail. Thats crazy. I think we know that the president of the United States is under a federal criminal investigation into whether his campaign colluded with the russians. That is potentially the most serious scandal in american history. We know that the president of the United States in the Campaign Said things very favorable to russia. Ou we know that as president , he equated what happened to United StatesVladimir Putin murdering of journalists, ordering of dissidents. Even if there was no collusion, what the president has done to endorse and is bad enough. Tucker today, his administration indicated in public out loud that were ready to go to war in syria. That is directly at odds with russias central Foreign Policy right now. Thats not doing the bidding with Vladimir Putin. Thats the opposite of it and the democrats are so addled with the insanity of this conspiracye that they dont even recognize thats happening. I think its a desire to find out what happened. Tucker if trump is doing the bidding of unseen russian saboteurs and Vladimir Putin himself, why in the world would he be attacking russian involvement in syria today and threatening war . Lets see what happens. T lets not ignore the fact that several days ago, his administration said getting rid of assad is no longer a priority. Something of huge reversal ofon u. S. Policy. Several days later, lo andd behold, assad green lights gas on people. Tucker thats a fair criticism. En if your point is is he doing the bidding of Vladimir Putin youre insane. You see the difference . Houses doing the bidding of thought and repute in . This one isolated thing. If you look at it today. If you like the pattern of trumps behavior, his repeated calls for the breakup of the European Union with United Kingdom leaving the e. U. , playing footsie with nationalist parties in france, undermining k our allies and Angela Merkel and germany. Those are all things that wants. I have friends who are democrats who are rational high iq people who make the same phone and they sound like larouche followers. They take things that are not connected and string them together into this theory of everything. Are you really saying that anyone who is in favor of bags it or suspicious of multinational organizations like nato or the u. N. Is on paytons side . Thats unreasonable. Course not. Im talking about all of the troubling patterns. If these were just Donald Trumps isolated policy positions and there wasnt this history of contacts between campaign, there was collusion being investigated but the fbi has found contact between the campaign. If we didnt have donald trump in public in the middle of theou Campaign Calling on the Russian Intelligence Services to find Hillary Clintons email, this campaign benefiting from a russian intelligence, that we might sit back and go yeah, theyre isolated. Tucker im trying to take you seriously. Again, im not a supporter of Vladimir Putins. But youre alleging a secure . Conspiracy so fast it undermines the foundations of our democracy. There are thousands of russian citizens living in the United States, heavily concentrated in and around new york city. They potentially pose a security threat. Do you believe we should and turn them until such time as we find that they dont pose a threat. Of course not. Thats silly. Thats absolutely silly. Tucker if there are unseen russian actors to undermined. We dont put people in prison that we cannot prove committed a crime. And it was one of the biggest embarrassments in our history. Tucker i didnt support it then. Should we take action against russia . Ne of the trend to undermine our wouldnt we attack them quebecs big wish and take military action because we dont want to start world war iii. R tucker your senator from maryland said this is an act of war according to democrats so why wouldnt we. F i dont think it was an act of war. I think it was an act to subvert, to undermine our democracy. I dont think the next thing to suggest that we go into nuclear war. Tucker i am not a democrat democrat. We need to get to the bottom of what happened. The sideshow says donald trump has tried to do. Split is only one line for inquiry in america. Why did susan rice a political appointee spy on members of his transition . Youre doing the bidding of putin. My question is what does this have to do with the last election . Maybe russia was one of them. But the Democratic Party has to figure out how to win back the country and how to serve the country. Has nothing to do with the oil. Crisis or the wage crisis or income equality, which is real or automation. Has anyone spent time thing c about those things and not justh putin . Of course we are. I think its possible to do more than one thing at a time. It is possible to go back and work on a message, its possible to focus on solving the opioid process. We shouldnt ignore the fact that the president of the United States might be ignoring it. Tucker it is consumed all newsroom inn every america and the fbi andoo the commercial commodities. Heres my question. Its not a non sequitur. The opioid courses his killing ten times the amount of people. Anyone in washington behaving as if this is a civilization ending crisis, which is is. Talking about russia or, i think its frivolous. Do you agree . I would disagree that the president of the dead states being under criminal investigation is frivolous. You dont think thats important . S tucker is to serve their voters in the Democratic Party lost millions of people who had voted democrats and had been devoted to trauma. Li has there been any people sitting down saying lets put it aside. And talk deeply about why wouldnt appeal to them . It has a month thought of that . s people youre equating to things for it on the political side, there absolutely is a conversation we need to have about how to win the next election. The concerns we have about donald trump are serious concerns about the government of the United States and whether it was subverted by a foreign power and whether there are people in the white house who had close ties. As big whenever had to someone about this, theres a lack of blinking that freaks me out and i think your going to give me a flower or something. No offense to you. Thanks for joining us. Well, there is plenty more to be learned about susan rices behaviorbe about all of this but democrats are already declaring her totally exonerated. Today, congressman of california said this. It certainly is of theory in search of villain and the reason the hard right has always chosen susan rice to be there villain. Tucker but is it really that simple . Se as american citizens, youd think we have the right to know if our government was spying on us and to what extent they might be spying on us. We also would have the right to be skeptical when a political e appointee with a long trackwe record of lying in public admits to spying on her political enemy and claims it was no political intent. At the very least, you might s want to know more about that, wouldnt you . But you dont have that right, says congressman. Be quiet, stop talking, anyone who asks questions must be a tool of donald trump or more likely of the criminal in itself. A disloyal american in other words working for the benefit of a hostile foreign power, trader. When did this happen . The left used to care about Civil Liberties a lot more theei republicans in a lot of cases but that was 50 years ago. Now the progressives control americas most powerful institutions, questioning the establishment as a threat to their authority. The Civil Liberties of individual americans have come with the limitation on their power so they ignore them. Liberals have become the man and the rest of us can just shut up and obey. Time now for twitter storm. Our forecast of the most powerful weather patterns. Our friends brit hume and the former Obama White House advisor ben rhodes. It all started with brit retweeted a fox news story about don lemon refusing to cover the susan rice story. He tweeted this, is just amazing. The story is clearly news and refusing to report it is not the behavior of a news organization. Doesnt seem controversial. But ben rhodes replied this way, bullying people into covering routine work of any Senior National security official as news is a clear effort too distract the questions about trump and russia. Ct the russia thing again. Brit responded this way. Bullying . Please. If it was so routine, why did rice falsely claim on pbs she knew nothing about it came back great question. Why are you lying about it. Ben rhodes responded this way, another response to brit who said not one single intel expert has asserted anything, but men daily routine. Stop chasing trumps fantasies. Nothing to see here, be quiet and obey. Thats our twitter storm. Up next, there are 5yearolds who werent alive last time the u. S. Toppled a middle easternex government. Thats mean its time for a new war. Well debate it was a republican senator. 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I think it was something that was not one of our better days of the country. Tucker meanwhile, u. N. Ambassador nikki haley also warned of a possible war there. Watch. Nw yesterday morning, we awoke to pictures to children foaming at the mouth, suffering convulsions, being carried in the arms of desperate parents. When the United Nations consistently fails in its duty to act collectively, there are times in the states that we are compelled to take our own action. Tucker represents oklahoma and serves on theut Homeland Security and intelligence committee. She joins us tonight. The first thing that struck me about ambassador haleys remarks apart from how horrifying this gas attack was her certainty about who did it. It im willing to believe the Assad Government did it. Ie theyve done it before. But this took place 24 hours before she made the statement. Its an incredibly complex country with the number of actors we dont even know. That seems unknowable. How could anybody know for certain who did this 24 hours later . Aircraft flying over the area when explosions happen, only to folks who do that and the area and that would be the russians and the syrians, assad. So we can be pretty confident that it wasnt the rebel forces flying any kind of aircraft over there. They dont have aircraft to be able to fly. See you cant have a great deal of certainty on and this is not the first time that weve seen assad use chemical weapons. He is used chemical weapons year after year after year. Theres a lot of focus on it for years ago when he was using chemical weapons but his continued use chlorine gas. v because this not a defense of k the a assad or jima or their attacks of war, merely an acknowledgment that ive heard many people say we know for certain they went to buy the and we know that. We and to base policy on summing 24 hours later does seem premature. That is an area that we watch closely in the intelligence community. Were able to track and see flights coming in and out andat able to watch and have satellite view on whats happening on the ground to be contracted today with the occurring. We have pretty good eyes in the sky whats occurring. I will grant that for the sake of argument. To progress this idea, common among everyone in washington in order to fight isis, we need to take out assad. Of course he is fighting isis, maybe imprecisely and ineffectively. How would that work . It makes isis stronger . S isis is really burst out of 2 conflict that fell apart. One of them, isis is fightingea against assad and the other is the vacuum that was created in iraq. Assad has been a ruthless thug killing his own people the civil war that rose up there in syria, fighting against him. Isis is simply joining into that. A lot of recruiting worldwide, joining them fighting against assad. So isis main recruiting tool has been assad and if you go back to the earliest days of the civil war everyone in the region was focused on one thing, theas removal of assad. Because of the idea that you take out the guy that isis doesnt like will make isis weaker. Pardon my skepticism but it does raise the question if you take them out, we could just push tomorrow if we wanted. Who would run syria . That has been the issue that they locked up on years. Ot theyre waiting for someone organically to grow up and be the big dog in the area that everyone respect. Thats not going to happen. There is no unified rebel force fighting against assad. It is a whole collection of basically Neighborhood Watch groups that this town all know that there life depends on assad going down. Theyre not unified with each other. They fighting for their familief and also fighting against assad. Is the key thing that i hear from leaders in the area as we have got to have United States engaged to help select the next leader of the International Community come behind them and basically find a horse and be able to bet on that horse. This is about rands involvement. T the big issue here is around. I heard that exact argument was in iraq and that in fact was to increase the power of iran over iraq. Verbatim, w