Says we shouldnt jump to conclusions. Im not saying the administration was responsible for the hack. Do worry about the politicization of. [unintelligible] intelligence of this administration. It came out at a very con convenient time to conclude it was russia after a tie trump was criticized what he was saying about putin. The secretary of state job seems to be going to the exxonmobil chief, or byron, what is curious how quickly this snowballing into hearings they want done presumely before the 538 electors will immediate would decide the next president of the United States, and most of them are duty bound to the vote in hero state us. A way of prying a few off. There are lot of moving part here. On the Electoral College thing. The Electoral College meets monday, december 19th and their 538 people. Electors who will be meeting in state capitols. Trump has to get 270 of them to win. He won 306 on election day. If you do the math, if he were to lose 37 electors he would be downdown just below 2 0 andment would be pret president. That what a group called the hamilton electors, named after alex door hamilton have been trying to do for a good while and now latched on to this new news, these allegations, especially from the cia, that the russians interfered with the election, and now theyre saying, wow, the electors cant vote without knowing more about this russian stuff and we have soon john podesta take their side. I think this is going to snowball in the next few days. They want to plant seeds of doubt. No one is denying that a country might have been trying to mess up our election, but no one has come up with proof that it messes up if the results. Nevertheless, by raising this, the talk of the hearing and might with electors themselveses and giving them a private hearing on this, the intent is to do just that, right . Well, the intent is to taint the election of donald trump and perhaps weaken him as he takes office. Thats pretty clear here. Byron i dont want touchydown but they keep calling it bipartisan and that john mccain is pushing for this, lindsay graham, about the poll role of the russians, saying they, too, want to discredit the election or turn at the results. Thats not the case of those e. A mostly democratic effort but republicans, too. Theyre not denying that the russians made some sort of attempt to interfere or involve themselves or influence the election. Theyre not denying that. There are does appear to be a disagreement inside the Intelligence Community that the russians specific intent was and their a difference between an attempt and actually influencing the election. Theres no talk that the russians actually hacked any voting machines, changed vote totals and skeptics are suggesting that even if the russians did attempt to influence, it was a minor, minor factor, unless the republicans were so good that they got Hillary Clinton to ignore wisconsin and michigan until it was too late, got Hillary Clinton to refer to half of the hectorat as deplorables or made obamacare premiums and deductible goes sky high. So, there is, i think, some consensus that some foreign country, probably russia, tried to do something, buttoned that but beyond that theres a difference. Wouldnt mean the elect would necessarily go to Hillary Clinton. It would be thrown into the public house and they decide. Theres only one republican elector from texas who wont vote for trump but will vote for another republican. So the idea is to send it to the house but you have to mentioned john kashich of ohio would not flip to Hillary Clinton. No. If they fantasy to think that a republican controlled house filled with republicans from states that donald trump won, would ignore the guy with 306 electoral votes in favor of some anonymous person with zero electoral votes. Just not going to happen. Thats the michigan votes and surprising victory there and the 16 electoral votes provideed cushion. A former fbi assistant director with us. Ron, goes back and forth between the cia and the fbi on their respective intelligence takes on this. Who are we to trust or count on for reliable suspicions . Thats a great question, neil. I think that they could be we could be in a situation where the different agencies are relying on different intelligence to form the basis of their individual opinion. That could be the cia has deeper access to sources and methods that are their own, that theyre protecting from others, and they should. And then drawing their conclusions on sources and methods that the fbi dot nat does not have immediate access to, or the fbi is more cautious. No doubt in counter, when we talk about a beyond a reasonable doubt situation, the standard, the burden of proof issue is much, much higher, but here were not talking about convicting somebody. Were talking about al intelligence assetment there should be a gathering among the intelligence agencies to say heres our understanding what happened and what our conclusions are, and forming agreement around the conclusions. You know, theyre not waiting for that, ron i dont care whose side youre on in this intelligence not you specifically but anyone that they howth ought to be on the same page. What gives me pause when i see theres no pause on the part of some politicians who are leeching at the chance to have a hearing, or meet separately with all the elector toes to what end . You want to plant seeds of doubt . I would absolutely agree with the proposition that the government ought to have a wholeisic, detailed, meaningful approach to understanding the russian cyber threat. The russian influence threat. And i dont think that has happened. Moreover, i think the u. S. Government ought to have a systemic policydriven approach to how to respond. Frankly, think thats yet another failure of this obama administration, that there isnt such an approach, such a unified understanding and policy decision as to how were going to approach these indrugses and respond to them. No one is open to the possibility that maybe we could all be set up here, something as was laughed at that first when john bolton races raised it but tried to clarify. Its entirely possible that it is a false flag operation, that somebody planted evidence who plant it . Another country, china, iran, north korea, for reasons of their own. But you are saying that they say that a country potentially hacks into our election. I think russia is entirely capable of doing it. No doubt, john bolton has no doubt our election system was hacked by somebody. I dont see any evidence to the contrary. He is also saying there is that it wouldnt be beyond the russians to do something dumb like that, and leave their fingerprints on it, would not be in keeping with their past, but you would also leave yourself open to heres your firefighters on it and its look your fingerprints on it. Our Intelligence Community is smart and would me able to detect the false flag. A piece that looks obvious is that the influence was perhaps by wikileaks. So, with the false flag be the russians trickling this information outs making the dna look like it was wikileaks. We heard of some intrusions in state election systems but those are so disconnected they dont have a chance of influencing the election. So it is very valuable that mare take a look at what russia was up to, what their intent was, but as you said, think a lot of this today comes back to politics, to discrediting the president elect. Were hearing the different sides based on the politics of who wrote the piece. Lets take a comprehensive look but let the process go forward. You couldnt get that fully answered and then a sudden mad dash to make sheer the electors are previousy to this. Ron, thank you very much. If any of this is having the markets doubt whether our constitutional system is crumble, they have a funny way of showing it. The dow 200 points. This is how the markets have fared since the other lex of donald trump five weeks ago tomorrow. This in the face of oil prices rocketing ahead. 52. 83 a barrel now. A number of analysts saying, click the former head of shell oil, Sees Oil Prices around 75 a barrel by the end of the year, this end of this year, three weeks away. Not even. Not everyone is of that opinion but is a reminder how volatile the situation is, that even the face of that the bull rampages on. Still waiting to hear from president elect trump and who is going to pick as secretary of state. Rex tillerson is the front runner. But you say you cant have a guy that steeped in business to run a Major Department like that, do go back in time to john f. Kennedy and that guy who was running his defense department. Talk about estopped in business. Steeped in business. More after this. Get up to 2500 customer cash on select 2016 and 2017 models for these terms. See your lexus dealer. And her new mobile wedding business. Tte at first, getting paid was tough. Until she got quickbooks. Now she sends invoices, sees when theyve been viewed and tada, paid twice as fast see how at quickbooksdotcom. Family road trip fun check engine. Not fun but, youve got hum. Thats like driving with this guy. 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Thats the fear, he will be beholding to this energy Share Holders and more particularly big oil than he will be the country. But no one raised that when it came to the choices in the john f. Kennedy cabinet. There was again a no concern mcs the death of defense would deanything that would benefit ford at the expense of the country. You can criticize mr. Mcnamara but ties to ford and whether he was doing something in the interest is not one of them. The uva senator for politics, the kennedy half century where he looks a at this and history it coming. A what due like are to the detroit sympathies guy will be beholding to his old industry . Thats not been the practice in past presidencies youch mentioned john f. Kennedy. He actually had four senior businessmen in his cabinet. You mentioned Bob Mc Mcnamara at defendant and that was haled of a way to get ahold of the defense debt depth which was sprawling, douglas dillon, the treasury secretary, who hodges who was the governor of North Carolina but off of the cotton industry, and the postmaster genoas a lawyer and a businessman. That was considered Good Practice and as i look back at a whole series of presidencies there hasnt been one without a senior businessman or woman in at least one cabinet position, usually multiple positions. Mcna marry would was worried mcna rare a was concerned he didnt hey andens but kennedy i didnt he experience for my job. Is there more scrutiny for republicans or do we forget that . Fault the kennedy cabinet for a lot of things. The fact they were slaves to Respective Industries wasnt one of them. Yeah itch think that i happen to know mr. Tillerson a bit. Talked with him in washington and also in houston over the years, long before his apparent nomination for secretary of state. I think when people get a chance to talk with him and know him, they will see that while certainly he spent his career at exxonmobil, that is hardly limiting. It is a multinational corporation, one of the Largest Companies in the world. They actually have their own foreign policy. They do, really. He visited more countries than all the other candidate being mentioned combined, which is the nature of the multination conglomerate but he will only have one view. What comes up in the discussion is you have more and pour people in a Trump Administration who had barely an under kind word to say about russia and rut Vladimir Putin hences that shows theyll be puppets for putin. I say people can change their positions depending on the position theyre in. That old line about where you stand departments on where you sit. His exxonmobil career will be over and hell have another job and the policies will be set by the president of the United States, who we all learned that donald trump is not a shrinking violet. Dont think hes going to turn to tillerson, if i it is tillerson and say, rex, you set all the u. S. Policies toward all the other countries. That not going to happen. He has a lot to say about and it so will the National Security adviser. Professor, always a pleasure, my friend. Thank you. Thank you. One week away from the Electoral College vote and now, now, you have no less than john podesta, running Hillary Clintons campaign, saying, we think its a good idea you have your own intelligence briefing on the hacking thing. Just saying. Which has u. S. Just wondering. Whats behind this see ya next year. This season, start a new tradition. Experience the power of infiniti now, with leases starting at 319 a month. Infiniti. Empower the drive. Well, you know, say this about donald trump but when he goes after one government contractor, like boeing lyric goes after others. So a fair and balanced what he considered to be overpriced items, including in the case of Lockheed Martin the f35 fighter program. He says the cost are out of control. This little more than a week after saying of boeing, 4 billion for air force one . Are you kidding . So here we go now and one week away from the Electoral College on who becomes the next secretary of state. 2010ing that elector toes should block donald trump. Were five weeks from the gnawing separation the president elect is unhinged. The Electoral College must do what theyre designed to do. Judge, this has nothing to do with russian hacking, everything to do with this guy finding donald trump doesnt think electors into reflect the vote in their states. Who can get into his mindset. You might have some success when you interview him tomorrow. Heres where we stand as of today. There are two lawsuits, one in colorado and one in the state of washington, in which trump electors have filed lawsuits against the governors and the secretaries of state of those respective states, in federal court, asking the federal court to invalidate the state statutes which bind them to vote for trump because they were put on the ballot and on the ballot they promised to vote for trump. Their rearry is, their argument is, that historically the Electoral College came about so that the electors, the members of the come, would be free to vote for whomever they want as long as the person were a candidate for president , and theres historical basis for that. But over the years, the law has morphed into, thou shalt vote for the person for whom thou told the voters would vote for. Judge, were getting a statement from john podesta, who ran Hillary Clintons campaign. The gist, the bipartisan electorate raises abrave issue regarding national secure. Electors have a solemn responsibility to the constitution. He is talking about having a briefing for the electors ahead of their gathering next week so they can hear what we now know, whether its at or a lot, about the russian involvement in potentially hacking the elect. No conclusion whether that would tip the vote but clearly casting doubt in their minds. On this i share the president elects view, that much of this is not based in fact and its not based in evidence. Its based in an emotional unwillingness to accept the outcome of the election, neil. Look, the electors are supposed to vote for the person for whom they promised vote. There is obviously evidence of serious hacking of democratic work party work and Republican Party work, and theres some evidence that the russians were behind it. There are 16 known intelligence agencies in the United States, and god knows how many secret ones. The president elect has seen some briefings, and he has chosen not to believe the same ones of the New York Times and the Washington Post believe. He has to have the benefit of the doubt because he will soon be ready for this the chief Intelligence Officer of the United States of america. The law does not guarantee a perfect election. It guarantees a fair eye lex election there has been no evidence to demonstrate the hacking was a hacking hacking oe totals. May have changed some voters attitudes about donald trump and Hillary Clinton. What if it did and donald trump is sworn in as president. What if it did . Well, look, if theres evidence that the electors in a given state were not truly elected, because the russians or some foreign entity fooled around with the outcome, then the government of the United States of america hat a positive duty determine that before next monday, november after it, but before. Even if discovered after the fact. Not trying to make get ahead of it. Were in a real quagmire. Discovered after the fact, too little, too late. He ifs not the president elect today but will be the president elect a week fro