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Welcome to open up the late night talk radio offering biblical hope and practical help I'm Roger Manning here with author and speaker and we've been talking about abortion for a couple of weeks actually not in the last couple of days but a couple of weeks because of the biblical counseling intensive that we just had here at the Hope Center in Plano Texas on abortion you today at our day our weekly devotional presented material to the staff on abortion and something very interesting happened and now you get a letter about it also but we don't want to tell what happened at the devotional today well actually. Last minute stand in because. Whatever happened I don't know but he said could you do this could you do that devotional time and. Yes a simple let me do it on what he just had which was the. Call that the abortion dilemma and. Later during our prayer time someone one of our staff members said my daughter was just contacted that. Your friend. There was that. Yes a woman who became pregnant. And she's unmarried and she's considering abortion she said so during the prayer times Thank you Jane and presented this so that I can get this to my daughter so this was a text that she got right before the devotion Yes and you were not the scheduled speaker or no it was you know God works in mysterious ways but we also always now let me just mention that I only have I think it was Saturday I read a letter and it is it's been several weeks since that was sent but. I don't always get timely with my mail but the point is a man from. Kansas. Gregory sent a letter and he said on your shows you never leave anyone hanging so I don't think he would do that to me either but he his point is listen to this and actually this is something. That I think you heard what will happen when our children and children's children one day ask why we allowed all those tiny human beings to be murdered both inside and outside the womb. Personally I know but the church will say well long ago we did have a few members who were upset about the church not doing enough to stop and then decide so we just ignored them and eventually they went away. He said We don't have to wait for our children's children already asked and they've already been in the others he wants to be heard and the point being heard is it's he wants the Word of God even to be communicated. He said thank you so much for all the verses that you brought out on the show meaning he heard our program hope for the heart and hope in the night. And we brought out. A lot of scriptures but. He happened to mention Genesis 96 and it's very interesting that particular passage deals with it's like capital punishment and specifically if you shed the blood of someone then by. It's interesting. There. Whoever sheds man's blood by man's by man his blood shall be shed for in the image of God He made man meaning he made human beings and so the point is. There that that is I remember years ago saying this Ok so the in the Bible there's a case for. Capital punishment there the point of all this though is it's in the image of God we are made now the truth is. This is me and Margot day oh. Let me say differently. Let me let me present the last thing Gregory said in conclusion a fetus is a tiny human being created by God living fully and comfortably in the womb waiting for his life her birthday to begin a full life outside the womb I thought that was beautifully said I'm going to repeat it a fetus This is an unborn life the that life is just growing growing growing all it needs is the right atmosphere. And and nutrients bitch is tamed by the mother. Fetus is a tiny human being created by God living fully and comfortably in the group waiting for his Perth day to begin a full life outside the womb. But I would say is consider. Consider what God says I've said before you life and death choose life so that you and your children may live. Or consider. One fine day for this is the Lord speaking before I formed you in the I knew him before you were born such a part when I saw those words from the Bible I thought oh I had no idea I understand. The issues regarding the sanctity of life is the portion is not the solution for our life's. Life. Welcome back. And I. Appreciate your being with us this evening in real specially appreciate that letter from. Gregory gone and Gregory I have to tell you we understand exactly what you're saying about wanting to be heard God's word tells us to speak up truth and to speak truth into other lives and that's what you're trying to do as a matter of fact my friend that is what you're doing you call attention to Ranger letter now some of us are called into going astri's where we speak to more than one person sometimes we are called into ministry says where she speaks to thousands of people I pray that God will lead you into a ministry that that will afford you that opportunity but until then this message is for you and me and for everybody else one of the reasons that Joan has written the material she has written and specifically the material on abortion prevention is that each and every one of us will have the material we need so that we can one on one speak truth into other lives than Lady she mentioned today from our staff who heard about the potential abortion her daughter's friend that was timely because this very material was being made aware to her she's not on the radio she's not talking at a church but she does have this one young lady's here and she will be able to speak truth to it. So you keep speaking the truth Gregory thank you for thinking about hope for the heart all of you who are looking for material so that you can speak truth into someone else's life we have them available for you abortion prevention is the Biblical counseling if you we have we have other materials and our hope care representative would be glad to meet you to those materials and talk you through. The number is 80488 hope that's 804-884-6739 Greggory actually produce on one of the bought radio stations and a caller tonight actually heard a song one of the bought radio stations in Missouri would you welcome a caller for the joy Well welcome Joy. Because how can we help you. I. Hated and now I'm. Going to call them. But all that. 29 It may or. Yeah. I'm a little boy really had a little boy. Got me one night she wanted to come and write she get it. And that one should. Think and think. And we were hours writing. That. Come to realize that she explained the wrong guy. And. I had a lot of I got. A right guy and I want to know that and that. And it was a long time and that he was a good Godly man and. I mean I know what you know. Work and that really makes me work. Then. And economy then we've. Got about a boy and Mike I am and. I have a market where I come from to work family and there. I don't know what. I grew up with one friend that I am and of course family and others that work it might. Make. I. Actually don't get me back home where I should be willing. Or and he told me. Right I'm back now. This is mine with this other man. Yes she knows that to be true because of the relationship that she was not having with her husband yet and I found our waiter. And I had no notion of. A weekend and months earlier and. He helped again. And home crying and biking and I. Think I kind of. What I want to thank. A mom and dad that he would never have another chance. He thought he would say and because I am. Their mom and dad and he would be. Thank you for saying that he suspected not that she was pregnant but that there was another man if she was and had been and you know with. Her and one of them for years and she worked at all or you know time to tack on another question and she would. And so he did and it might have one night and she went no way around and I'm that guy and. That's when he can't. Deny that. Anymore my Actually Mormon and kill. Me. Is he still. Is she still the employer over him. No way like oh my God I don't understand why. They had however before I got to a know much she knew I could find out an air show with any woman being pregnant and start a new car out of there and they did find out after the baby was born. And committed all 3 were are you know it. Adding or killed when you began the birthing my own mind and. Tonight create. What I know very much where I'm not at all. And I thank God and I like. What it is. So they still work at the hospital. And so they may be one another and. What I am an art and meeting. Only. I. Am not working and I think anymore. I thought oh you know. One thing that she told me afterwards that you know I went to my 1st devastation I waited 5 days and I want to work and I want to go where I know that I love. Them what I cannot. I don't want I mean I don't question. About that and so when I went and. I'm going to start going to take me up. All the time. See when I wake up and I think that we're kind of making. Our own happy and I would start and. I think. You know who. I mean I think. Oh my God am. I that I can. And I understand and. Then I and there are consequences there and all my back all the Met I don't even. Care but on the car. I mean. I mean we got. I'll. Smile when she could really. It was. I don't even know how that actually went in there and. Talking about because. She's. Quick. Never actually think and I mean oh my work Sure thing I understand I'm a I've never been able to do that and I'm thinking taken and you. Think you. I and I. Hired hired to the pregnant p.a. I mean my friend on my car about you know that. You know he would think that he wanted to be with hammer something or when I was holed up I don't know exactly what I mean I think I want to go to you he has no wonder they're very viable knowledgeable wonderful you know. A war or warrior and I want to go to your pastor and I think at one time and I asked and how it went and Ok and I asked her how it went and Ok you didn't really have much to say well come to find out later I met her later and he told me here oh I had a lot to say they didn't want to. Stop it stop it now and paste it in like what I had to stay up and then back. You know then I call Big Gulp earth or. Not not if you have anybody I'll give it a name I work at a thing or. You know I know it in our own Larry I'm on the book keeper there's no thing. Anyway I love it when you have something against another and that's what we do you know you quoted them and I almost. Called back. And you know I got that and act with an amendment and now they can get a member of that congregation and what's going on with my daughter and that we were deeply creative and I want to know that I wasn't. Going to have anybody ask I like I want to give meaning that I was going to own my own and I asked him what he thought about that and he you know. He worked wonderful on the phone actually I mean. He said you know if a member of my congregation and my clock and I went back which we want to do Ok I'm cursed because he has the number of my father I would like to go to him. And then he but they didn't call me any anything. Then this man. Howling our daughter my daughter kill. Anything what her family would be unacceptable. And he apologized. I go with me on that. And that what I mean and what they only. What's wonderful is. Playing. Back. Well week later. My daughter had blown up you know because I had to. Be the up on me and I think you have to say what came out about it that was there I forgot to tell you the more. Committed adultery. 3 less than or 2 others that we know. Of. Later I mean to him and I and you know how challenging others to change chairs to truths that confrontation is a Godly concept. Outlined positive step. To truly biblical Taishan restores and solidify its relationships through chose that name by the way to be told by Julie about adultery about boundaries about ethics and integrity I could list 10 of the different counseling subjects that Joan has written about over the years that might be helpful to her it will be interesting to see where it goes with this now this is not in her life but you know the life of her daughter but she's a parent she loves her child and she has made that clear to her so we'll find out where this goes in just a 2nd 1st of all the reminder of that on tomorrow's hope for the hard fact not fame see that's the name of the show see Tina believes she's wasted her life and now she feels hopeless and is afraid God isn't pleased with her job hunt has some good news for discover how to learn from the past so that you can do what's best for the present and ultimately prepare yourself for the future on Tuesdays hope for the heart that's a 30 minute daily radio program many of these same radio stations now if you don't know what radio station it's on in your area no problem go to our website hope for the Heart dot org you'll find a list of all of the stations on which hope for the heart or 30 minute program and this program help and tonight our one hour program are carried and if it's not on in your area hope for the heart you just listen on your mobile app that you've downloaded for free or right there on the website hope for the Heart dot org You can listen there now let's get back to the story from joy. Wow my friend. Sometimes but the hook can be so thankful and perplexing and at times you can feel like you've got to have their arms tied behind your back that's what I'm hearing. Because you doctor. Who've been married for 8 years specifically to a particular man and their 2 young children. She has decided that she's married the wrong man then. There's another man who. Now has had a child with. And is she what is her marital status regarding her 1st husband but regarding the man she married that I don't know married he moved out 9 months and live out of. Everything. Paid off. Out. Quickly and now. I'm over here. And he picked a water leak. Made it really easy for her. So he had him move out and get he has been. Helpful at times yet. He was suspicious. Really on and yet was. Basically. More threatened that if he were to tell you. And your husband that there would be major consequences Ok. Anyway. You know. The other man and then became. This other man was a part of the birth in terms of being in the birthing room and all this and your yes was. Basically banished of sorts and I did not get the n.f.l. Every night work. Daughter we have to take likely a very good loving heart. Family. Did it report it in the morning that would be 20 people in the waiting room I didn't know what might have been and you know that night we did go. Out there I did know that I did not want that man coming you count me how much my grandchild weighed. And what I really think maybe I asked for it I don't know the doctor what I like or on like. Like a doctor what I am I ask if you know how things are going to cheat on you. Know I didn't even hear him or. Any like every. Lock my daughter I would think I'm gonna. Get out and character. Like. Ok so. Is there anything that you know about this other man. So let's see your daughter he said they were married. For you 8 years and then afterward Ok And you know that's not married yet so the end they basically then this other man came on the scene so what what do I What do we need to hear what else is there that's important for me to understand. Ok give or give it a shot. At what I want I want a week Mike thank you Mike. God. Keep in mind believing that man is a. Good thanks I could manage them. And later he said well you know I care how would we have no idea how. He. You know I know that. Everybody that. How much good in them. I don't know Ok let me let me ask this question because sometimes. If he is a quote unquote good Godly man a good Godly man would not be if you will so do you think or even if he were to do sort of point is would not be having sex with somebody else's husband to see if. I. Missed it yet she was she a godly godly man would not be having sex with a married woman. And so that we know already what the number one thing I'm hearing is integrity is a huge issue being a lack of The point is if you want a role model for your own children or even for your own life. You have to determine is this person a man of integrity. He can't be because there is open. Rebellion against the very heart of God's word and you can't have if you want to the blessing of God on her home. On her children you can't have the blessing of God and go against the Word of God and therefore go against the will of God So her or her reasoning is terribly faulty but this can be. A case that you could if you're led by the Lord at the right time to present to her and even if she rejects it that's not the point in a caring way there are certain things that you could say as a mom no weighing that right now it sounds as though passion rules not principle passion. And as long as passion rules then it doesn't matter what anybody says if passion dictates passion feels right for a while usually what we're talking about is can be up to 3 years. Good the passion gets less and less and reality sets in. That doesn't help for the immediate but we're talking about his infatuation this it better way ssion feels phenomenal and she's running on feeling because the fact is if she really had a heart for God and a heart for God's word she couldn't do this I do not know. You know. I think it's interesting that she wanted someone who can teach her children play and part. Of the having no faith in God for herself. You know. And make her To what do you know about this other what do you know about this other man. A man and married and of course there were 3. There were one or 2 other women in the same department. Thank You are not going away. I mean that the church. Their work and their work Ok. How do you know this I believe you but I just don't know how you know because I my daughter had made the comment at one time one of the other women that he would dating you know before she got and like a year after my daughter like. That apartment before my daughter. And then later someone else in the department head out and I'm the one it kind of here say. You know I don't