Down evil and triumphed. We have ashamed and defeated our attackers. That part of our task has been completed i by our multiagency security team. He said he could not confirm intelligence reports that suggested two or three americans may have been among the attackers. According to the red cross, at least 65 people are still unaccounted for. City morgues are preparing for the worst. We found volunteers had been working around the clock since saturdays massacre. And the bodies were stacking up. Actually, they were building up a pyramid and we had to do something. This engineer told us the hardest part is when he had to end to the body of a nineyearold boy who died in his mothers arms. I watched the boy, i cleaned him up. I wrapped anymore a cloth. Rose we continue with the president of somalia who is visiting the United NationsGeneral Assembly. He is Hassan Sheikh mohamud. Alshabaab has been weakened but their threat is still imminent and is still in existence. And the war that we face now, one phase is ending soon which is the militant front. A new phase like this, you know, this people are defeated military and hand picking them up from the society is another very, very difficult part of the war which only the local Security Forces can do. In somalia, thats where we are right now. But alshabaab has links. This is an ideology. Rose we continue with a rare conversation with former president bill clinton and former Vice President al gore. I spoke with them at the Clinton Global Initiative here in new york. I still believe that were going to do the right thing before calamity hits the earth. But were pushing it. And i believe there are lots of economically attractive ways to fight Climate Change that we have ignored. And i dont think we one of the things that althoughs a ton more about than i do is how to calculate the real price of what were doing now. Rose the president of somalia, Hassan Sheikh mohamud and former president of the United States bill clinton and the former Vice President of the United States al gore when we continue. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Captioning sponsored by this is the threat of alshabaab to the region and to the world at large. We send our condolences to the kenyan government. Rose Hassan Sheikh mohamud is here to address the General Assembly. His administration is the first recognized government in somalia in over 20 years. Theyre facing piracy, corruption and terrorism by islamic militants like alshabaab. That group claimed responsibility for this weekends Shopping Mall attack in kenyas capital, nairobi, which killed more than 60 people. Alshabaab claimed the response was to the response of the Kenyan Military presence in smol im pleased to have the president here at this table for the first time. Welcome. We thank you. Rose we have reports from kenya that Government Troops have taken control of the Shopping Mall and that there are i think what was five or six terrorists killed and some 12 in custody according to the New York Times report that i read. Can you tell me more about what happened and what we know . Well, what happened is that alshabaab has always been a threat to somalia, to the region and the world at large. So this is part of a campaign that they took recently in somalia where they have killed a lot of innocent people in their courthouse in mogadishu, in a calf fear where journalists use to take their Morning Coffee before they go to the office. And this is another horrific incident that took place so alshabaab is an ideology. The ideologys have no citizenship. They come across the world and the problem somalia faces todayd is because they base in the somalia but their actions, their organization, their ideology is global and their principles of fighting global jihadism. So what we know is that they have been doing this for one reason which is theyre still leaving and they are continuing to do the work. That is what theyre doing because killing innocent people in situation like that has no meaning at all. Rose do you think this represents this attack . Represents a new strategy, them going back to pure terrorism . And not trying to focus on extending their power in somalia . No, i dont think its a new strategy as such. This is just proving that they are existing when they lost the ground. Theres no in a major city or important area that theyre controlling in somalia right now. They remain in remote areas. So since that bombing increasing its just trying to show the world or their supporters that theyre still existing. It is the last move of rose . Rose do you believe they are a dead organization . They are dying. They are dying. In somalia soon there will not be a territory controlled by alshabaab. Its now in remote areas. Rose some will argue the control of the Central Government which you had does not control that much territory beyond mogadishu. Most of the 161 counties was under control of alshabaab. Today there are remaining only two major towns that alshabaab are controlling and the rest of the territory is controlled by the Somali Government in support with the African Union mission. Rose ill come back to that in a moment but i want to come back to what happened today in nairobi. Can you tell me what event lead to the conclusion of this siege there the mall . Well, we would like to hear the details from the final statement that the government of kenya will produce soon. But what we snow that more than a dozen groups of these terrorists were occupied at the mall and for three days they have been kidnapping people. So the aim was this was not a military target, not an economic target. This is a commercial place where civilian people use it to go shopping. So this is too far what has happened in the court in somalia or in mogadishu. All of them is just showing the people that they are still fighting. They are not fighting and they use it to fight of the militant. So we know nature of this inaudible into the society staying there inside of the road and then inaudible . Rose so they killed more than 60, at least more than a dozen have been either captured or killed of the attackers. Do you know whether there were any americans among the alshabaab who undertook this siege and the killing of more than 60 people at the Shopping Mall . Were there any americans . So far what we are hearing is there are somali americans who are included in it but we dont have the details yet. Its only then will we know. Rose how long will it snake will the kenyan government do that . Of course the kenyan government will do that . Rose how long will it take them identify the alshabaab members . Because they have some in custody they can interrogate. Alshabaab, first of all, they claimed they are responsible for the mat sore theres no question of being whether or not alshabaab. But the details of these criminals and who are they, where they come, thats a matter of time until the kenyan government will improve. We are expecting that soon inaudible . Rose so what will you say in your speech at the u. N. On thursday. Whats the story that you want us to know not us, but the World Community and the United Nations members . First of all, this is the first time im addressing the General Assembly of the United Nations. Its my first year in my term and i brought thing to share the world with somalia and where it came from but i want to share the world to give the contribution this time around somali is moving towards that towards the right direction and the fact that what has been done in the last one syria building the foundations in place so that a different somalia will energy the next couple of years. So id like to share with the whoorld we are planning to do on the challenges we have in place and see if the support seek the support of the world to end once and for all this dark hole that exists in that part of the world. Rose it should be pointed out that you remain in somalia when others left somalia because of the nature of the conflict there. You stayed as an academic and then, without any political experience were elected president. Rose youre right. Not only i stayed there, millions of somalis who stayed inside somalia. I was one of them. On the other hand, i dont think there is one person in this world who got enough experience for 22 years of statelessness. Rose statelessness. Statelessness, lacking a functional state institution. So i dont see anyone whom i can say would have been a better position than me the difficult times of somalia. Rose corruption. Where are you in terms of ridding your country of corruption . First of all in a country like somalia anything can be expected but i respectfully disagree. Many of our partners who claim that somalia is a [no audio] in the world. What i would like to see is that somalia, there is a capacity limitation in running state institutions but a corruption as such i will not. And when we seek opinions to investigate the matter and specialize it and legal experts investigated the corruption issue of somalia, the outcome, i hope you have seen it is that there is a capacity limitation. There is a inaudible proper procedures have not flowed because of lack of knowledge. Lack of experience. But the corruption as such was intentionally not there as much. So i would have agreed that somalia i do not deny there might be a level of misuse of resources but its mainly do to capacity limitation but not corruption as such. And my government has put a policy in place whereby the Somali Government is a zerotolerance corruption and thats why we make top priority for the reform of the Public Institutions in somalia. Rose but Transparency International, as you know, put somalia over the last six years and youve only been in power for a year at the bottom of the list for transparency and those kinds of values that youd like to see. Yes. Thats true on transparency somalia has been in that position but the reality is that corruption is the intentional misuse of tools and instruments that are in place. When the tools and instruments are not there in place then i hardly question how someone has mentioned the level of corruption. Right now we are inviting and we are in the process of calling Transparency International to see whats going on in the ground. Rose how many troops are on the ground in somalia . There are 17,600. Rose will they stay . Is it necessary they stay . Today yes its necessary that they stay. Rose and if they dont stay, what . Alshabaab will come back in power . Will begin to make inroads back in terms of the amount of territory they control . No, but i would say somalia to be free from alshabaab will take long years if the am sung forces are not there. Rose do you think they will stay . They will, they will stay. Rose theres also piracy. Is that more under sdplol i would like to see somalia has been in that part of the world for thousands of years and we have no one time, no history of piracy at all until that part since the existence of somalia this is the only time Somali People have taken to the seas and there are root causes that made this to happen. Now, in the last one year we worked very hard from our part to engage the Community Leaders and they have put a lot of pressure into the seas so the piracy started from the ground and thats into the ground in land. The challenge that the Somali Government right now is facing is how can we make sure that these boys will not venture see again the ocean. We k we provide them an alternative way of life . Rose can you . Yes. And thats what what the Somali Government is working. We have been offering those boys training so that they can have an alternative way of life other than turning to seas. Rose the u. S. Acknowledged your government. The International Monetary fund announced it was recognizing your government after more than a 20year break in its relationship. What else do you need . Well, it was very, very important and crucial for somalia for the United States government and followed by many other international countries, europeans, africans. So today we have a legitimate state that we can different the interest of Somali People in the world. Thats absolutely very, very important and crucial diplomatic step but that does not means that that the problems of somalia have been raising at all in the face of the challenge that were facing. Subpoena but this recognition going back into the International Financing institutions helps a lot somalia weve concluded the first somali conference that has been presented somali compact as a new deal in process whereby more than 2 billion u. S. Have been pledged. So without that recognition this conference would have never taken place. So somalia is moving gradually and coming back into the right position of the Somali People into the World Community. Rose because alshabaab is primarily located in somalia before you began making inroads against them you ought to be an expert on alshabaab. You ought to know a lot more than most people because youve been fighting them on the ground people look at them and they hear about other Al Qaeda Affiliated groups in africa e. Give us your assessment of the threat, whether its yemen, somalia, somewhere else. Al qaeda threat and its offshoots are still very serious in many parts of the world, particularly in the horn of africa. Alshabaab has been weakened but their threat is still imminent and still it exists. And the war one phase is ending soon, which is the military front. Ae like this, you know, these people learn they are defeated militarily, they melt down into the society and then hand picking them up from the society is very, very difficult part of the war the which only the local Security Forces can do. In somalia, thats where we are right now. But alshabaab has links. I said this is an ideology and ideologies has no cities. Theres a link between alshabaab and the boka haram in nigeria which is another part of the african continent. Rose how much of this anybody who knows might be influenced of who they are and who they are and what it is you have to do to make sure that their ideology does not prevail . This is an ideology which uses multifaceted approach in the society and its eradication has to be also a multi use multiapproaches. It is economic. Poverty has a greater role. Rose poverty . Poverty, yes. There are a lot of young boys and girls who join alshabaab not because of their believing their ideology but because for them to get 100 at the end of the month. Rose what will be the consequences . Because some will argue that in terms of the goals of terrorism this attack in nairobi achieve exactly what they wanted. The worlds attention was focused on the group. Were all talking about them. Im talking to you about them. Thats what innocent, isnt it . Yes, thats what they want. Ment particularly at this time in their situation in the ground in somalia and in the horn of africa. What they want is to show the world that they are still existing, why theyre existing now. So it is it needs a compounded effort of the region and the world at large to eradicate and their eradication is not only military, its economic and there have been a conference in somalia by more than 200 religious scholars, telling the Somali People that what alshabaab is doing has nothing to do with islam and the religion. So that fatwa has also shaken them and thats part of the war. Rose thats the war of ideas and ideology. Ideology, yes. Rose are there in any way repercussions, say, on the will this attack in which people died at a Shopping Mall, 60 or more than 60 in effect relationship between kenya and somalia. I dont think that it will affect it will affect in a positive way, it will only make our relationship more cohesive and more binding. We share it together whenever there is a catastrophe happens in somalia the president and the people of kenya shared it with them. Somalia has a stand with kenya on this difficult hours. Ive been talking with the president of kenya many times during siege and im going to visit ten ya to share and the smol will community as a whole in mogadishu, they shared with them, the Somali Community living in kenya they shared with the government by donating blood by donating resources to the people that have been affected so it makes us more cohesive and more cooperating. It doesnt commit suspicion or finger pointing because we have this experience of this type of things. Once it happens another thing that they would have liked is that somalia and kenya quarreling on the causes and the of this incident but thats not the case. We are getting through that more and more. Rose mr. President , thank you for coming. Thank you very much. Rose well watch carefully your speech on thursday. Thank you, thank you. Rose back in a moment. Stay with us. 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