This is the reason for me to be in politics, i left for a few months, i decided to come back, i joined this coalition in order do so and this is what im trying to do and this is what ill do in the next few months. Rose Chris Matthews, nearby and tzipi livni when we continue. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Captioning sponsored by ladies and gentlemen, i think you know tip and i have been kidding each other for some time now and i hope you also know how much i hope this continues for many years to come. A little kiding is, after all, a sign of affection, a sort of thing that friends do to each other. Mr. Speaker, im grateful you have permitted me in the past and i nope the future that singular honor, the honor of calling you my friend. Rose Chris Matthews is here, the host of msnbcs hardball and a bestselling author. His new book is called tip and the gipper when politics worked. It recalls how president reagan and speaker of the House Democrat tip oneill worked together despite their political differences. Matthews know it is story firsthand. He worked in the Speakers Office at the time. Given the current partisan dysfunction in washington, this book could be very timely. Im pleased to have Chris Matthews back in the table. Welcome back. You told me to write this story last time. Rose you went out and did it. I think it was a good time to do it because i was able to pull everything together. Reagan kept a beautiful diary. Rose and he could write. He wrote beautifully and quickly and every time something happened with regard to tip he entered it. And i kept a diary not as good as reagans, but a good one and i kept it to keep myself sane, it was such a tough job working with tip against reagan. Rose why . Because reagan was so good . So good. And i was brought in to help him deal with reagan. He wanted to help make himself a better arguer in public and so he brought me in to beat reagan and he won. For six years it was my job to be his consiglierry. Rose lets talk about what was in the book. The Ronald Reagan you know. The Ronald Reagan i know and met firsthand in when he came up to give the state of the Union Address in 1982, you get to the second year, he walked into what was our ceremonial office right up the house floor and i walked in to welcome him there because it was the holding room and i said mr. President , welcome to the room where we plot against you. I really did. And he said oh, no, not after 6 00. The speaker says were friends after 6 00. And that friends after 6 00 thing was real between them. They tried to honor it. Reagan called after 3 00 and said after 6 00, can you rechange your watch . Because he wanted to talk about something personal. And they did try to be courteous and they fought like hell, like brothers on issues and they said terrible things but at the end of the argument it always came down to whether it was the tax bill in 82, the Social Security in 83, northern ireland, tax reform, russia, they always the end up being together. On some issue they found not common ground, they found a deal. Rose tell me about the tip oneill you knew. Three tip oneills, like a lot of people are three people. One is santa claus. He is what everybody thought he was. A big liberal, look out for you if youve got a brother, somebody in trouble, he will be your best friend. Especially youre a poor kid or old sick person. If youre some rich kid from harvard he hasnt got time for you. Second, black irish which is that he resents a lot of people on the other side, resent of people who had it made, i think, and the third guy was the politician. The pure politician. Ive always said the pure coalition between the politician and santa claus ran the show but the other black irish guy was there. He talked about cutting glass harvard when he was one of the townies and he would it is there with here iss and the overseer was like a simon hey from who would say off your ass, oneil. And he talked about watching rich kids with their boater hats drinking champagne with complete impunity during prohibition. He said they were rich, they could do anything they wanted to. I vowed my people would have that chance to go to that school. So thats a big part of it. Its class resentment to some extent that led him to do good things he did. Rose did he take John Kennedys seat . Yes, but he had been speaker of the house in massachusetts. He created the democratic majority there for the first time in history. He was the first democratic spiker in massachusetts up in that legislature. He built the party, went all over the state, got people to run, got majority and became speaker up there before he was jacks guy, before he was jacks replacement. Rose just to mention what a great book you wrote about jack kennedy elusive hero. Tip, i assume, worshipped jack kennedy. He backed the other guy, mike devlin, he was with the townies against the new guy coming in but they got along very well after that. Rose what did he think of reagan . Tip . Boy, that is a tough one. Thats one tough nut to crack. I know well, ron told me that his dad really was fond of tip and he talked about it around the house and theres some great quotes in there about tip about how in fact, ive got guys who worked for him who said, reagan would say every time we got mad at reagan hed say its just tip being tip. His heart sbes this thing and you have to live with it. Tip and reagan, i think he loved his company, he laughed his jokes, he loved the irish thing, he always had them to st. Patricks day dinners, went over there for birthday parties and toasts and champagne and he liked that part of him, the friendly part. Where it broke off was when it came to cutting programs tip cared about. Rose he thought he was cruel and inhuman. Yeah, he thought 50 years of taking care of people up in North Cambridge with their problems with health care and education he thought reagan was cruel to cut this. But then he would always try to blame it on somebody around reagan and say he hangs around the rich too much. Its his people around him making him do this. He never wanted to blame him personally but occasionally hed say he forgot where he came from. Rose suppose i know its different circumstances but im going to make the question today. Suppose Ronald Reagan was advising barack obama. Suppose tip oneill was advising john boehner . I think what obama could do and he hasnt done is spend a lot of time with members of congress. Reagan rose thats the story here. Reagan respected congress. He respected that all those guys had been elected. He did respect them and he spent a lot of time with them. Rose hed go right over their heads, wouldnt he . But hed have tip to dinner, spend time with him, jim baker was the best there was. He would come to tip and give them heads up on what was coming next out of respect in the back room. Tell nobody about it. Hed go to his house. Reagan was always sending signs of respect to tip, he knew they was cobranch of government and it was equal. None of this im better than you. Rose back to the book, when you look at these two guys, are we simply looking at a time that will never again be . Or is simply a question of the philosophy of the Tea Party Members is one of, in their own minds, its principle, principle principle . Rose well, i think there was a difference. I was looking at a tape of the today show april 10, 1985. Bryant gumbel was still anchoring and he goes at this hour a bipartisan delegation is meeting in moscow with the new soviet leader mikhail gorbachev. They are delivering a letter from the president expressing a desire to meet with him. The head of the delegation is speaker thomas. Oneil. He said it out affect or exceptionalism. This is normal. Can you imagine today boehner representing obama . Rose no. It was just assumed to be the way our government worked together when it came to the big stuff. If superpower relations. In fact, tip made a point its in the book about how when reagan was about to meet with gorbachev in geneva and in reykjavik he always made sure everything was good at home for him. No fights were going on. Rose as you have noted, you dedicate this to Kirkwood Alan and mike deaver, whos very close to certainly president reagan but also nancy reagan, very close as well. Very close. And friends with tip. Rose and friends with tip. They became very friendly. We were friends, i was friends with duberstein. There were a lot of friends back and forth across that fight between oneill and reagan. Duberstein did wonderful favors for us back and forth. I wanted to see the kings funeral when the king of swaziland died and he was the guy with all the wives and i was in the peace corps and i said i dont think that too many republicans want to go on an outback trip to swaziland for two days but id like to go because i worked there for two years. I called him up and they sent a message over thats a oneway ticket, chris. Rose laughs Little Things like that. When kathy my wife was covering a g7 meeting and i said can i have a pass so i can go hang out with kay sni he said sure. One time mitch snyder the homeless advocate was on the 50th day of his Hunger Strike and he and they said why dont we change the name of Corpus Christi to Something Else and they named it to the city of Corpus Christi and the guy was off his Hunger Strike. So this is all tip talking to reagan. So these things across the lines did work and talking to thatcher about northern ireland. He went to reagan and said i will never make this public somebody dug this up but if you could get thatcher to give on northern ireland, ill never forget it. And reagan went i know you have a problem with the i. R. A. And were going to have a policy. And along came ultimately the good friday accord. Rose where do you put reagan as president . I think hell make the top 12 or so. Rose top 10, maybe . I think hes up there with maybe a tad dehind ike. Because i think ending the cold war and the way he did it and probably prevented another 10 or 20 years of stupid back and forth. Rose where would he be in the Republican Party today . Moderate . Well, you know, he was just as conservative as these guys. It wasnt about principle. Look at him. He was a very prolife kind of guy but in california when he was governor he signed prochoice legislation. On Social Security he ended up raising the taxes wealthy have to pay. He ended up doing tax reform and reduced the race to 28, the top rate, but he equalize it had rate you get from earned income and capital income so he did some things in compromise they wouldnt normally do. But he always kept it going and said get a half a loaf, get more later. Everybody felt good about the way he did it. Principles leading to compromise and the government continues. Rose you said i think in a great line that conviction to them was never a burden. I think conviction is what gets you up in the morning with these two guys and playing by the rules. Its almost the difference between them back in the 80s when i was working there and today. Its the difference between marcus and queensbury rules in boxing. Mohammed ali was the best in fighting by the rules but extreme boxing they have today. Gouge the guys eyes. Thats sort of what politics is today. Its not marcus of queensbury. Rose whats the next book. Well, lets see how this goes. Rose i have some suggestions for you. You always do. I hope when people look at the book and read it that theyll feel good about the country because in the end there is a warmth here right and left where it comes to the country and theres some wonderful scenes of reagan when hes practically dead after being shot and jim baker, again, a prince of a chief of staff, you know him, said make sure tips the first guy in to see reagan. And reagans at the hospital, George Washington university hospital, and hes really in bad shape. They were keeping it secret how bad he was. He had a bullet right here, he lost half his blood to internal bleeding and had jerry par, the secret service guy, hadnt gotten him to the hospital in three minutes he wouldnt have made it. Tip comes in, he cant believe was what shape reagan is in and reagans liaison guys from congress was there and he said tip went in, walked over to reagans gurney or his bed, knelt down next to him on his knees on the ground and held his hands and these two old irish guys recited the 23rd psalm together the lord is my shepherd. And he said i have to leave now. And he kissed him on the forehead. The humanity of these guys is just wonderful. Its what separate ours country from other count wrez you can be human together. Rose and did baker do that, jim baker, because he thought it was important for a democrat to come there or did he do it because he thought tip would be good for ronnie . Well, both were true because when reagan saw it was tip, he cheered up and said thanks for coming, tip. It gets to you, i get verklempt talking about this stuff but he said thanks for coming, tip. He was in weak shape. Buff i think baker was really old school. He once said about the ethnic guys like rostenkowski and tip who grew up on the street, he ironically they were raised the same way he was, the upper class. Respect for position, for people and religious. And it was like i think he thought it was very important for the country to be united after the assassination attempt and it was very important the opposite guy come in. Also he was second in line to the presidency but he did respect the office. I think that what is g. O. P. Today. The sense of respect the voter honeymoons. Whens the last time you heard of a president ial honeymoon. The First Six Months in office tip said the guy has a right to an up or down vote on every one of his bills by august 1 because he got elected. Today its the like the first day youre in office the guy tries to knock your head off. Rose the book is called tip and the gipper when politics worked. Repeat, when politics worked. Back in a moment. This place isnt mine but im staying here for the weekend. 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