Parallel we continue with reggie love who is president obamas body man and written a book called Power Forward my president ial education. I think its a testament to one his own work ethic but i think also his ability to inspire people. I think he and coach que have the ability for people to buy into something that is bigger than them to invest into work and to really forge together as a sgrup in order to do something unique and powerful. And everybody doesnt know how to do that and i think its very its an amazing quality to have. We conclude with Robert Morgenthau and will you denda francs and their book about nair love affair. Timeless love morgenthau and me. People know bob as a brilliant prosecutor. Hes been called the da of the world. But they know a kind of reserved stiff person that will not, you know reveal his real self. Right. I wanted him to go down in history as a rounded person. I wanted to do a portrait in all his complexities that people didnt know. At the same time i wanted to save my marriage. This is a psychological turning point in the battle against isis a conversation with reggie love and concluding with Robert Morgenthau and lucinda francs next. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by rose additional funding provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. We begin this evening with the middle east, leaders across the globe are united and outraged at the latest video released wednesday by the Islamic State. It shows isis militants burning a jordanian pilot alive. The pilot was seized after his plane crashed in syria during a mission against a group in december. King abdullah in jordan cut short a visited in United States and returned home wednesday for crisis talks. Jor add jordanian authorities executed two iraqi terror convicts yesterday. The government also promised an earthshattering military spochbs. The pie loll pilots emolation inkited criticism through the middle east including syria iran and al qaeda. Joining me kenneth pollock and robert danin is a senior fellow at the council on foreign relations. Im pleased to have both of them here. Let me begin if i may with this question from the report in the New York Times by rob norlan, name any outrage in the middle east in decades of them the Achille Laurel hijacking iraqs invasion of kuwait, the gassing of kurds the bombing of the u. S. S. Cole and the pro nag nist would find apologists and detractors. But with one breathtaking vicious murder the Islamic State changed that damic uniting most of the region against it. I would like both of you to give me a sense of what are the implications of that statement in terms of the change that might take place now. Ken . Can well charlie look i think we have to start with the fact that the arab world particularly the sunni arab world has been ambivalent with the fight against isis from the get go. They dont like isis, they see it as a threat. But they also see another threat in many ways a bigger threat for them which are the shia forces in the region lead by iran. And what weve seen is that the americanled effort against isis has suffered. Because the sunni states havent been as willing to participate the way that the u. S. Would like them to do so. And what may have happened as a result of the killing of this jordanian pilot is we may now see the sunni states coming fully on board. And saying much as we dont like the shia much as we may fear iran, isis clearly has got to be dealt with and dealt with now. And well see a lot more full throated and enthusiastic support for the ert against isis first and foremost. Robert . Well, ken is absolutely right. I think there are a few other dimensions here that are also important and make this significant. First of all what this does, is it is shifts the center of gravity of the coalition into the region. It makes it a regional fight. One of the reasons that there have been detrackers to the coalition is that its been seen as an americanled effort. And this is one of the things that King Abdullah of jordan had been vulnerable to. Now this has hit at home. Its galvanizing the arab streets behind it. But there is a second dimension which is the idea logical one, we have had important statements come out of leading Islamic Centers like al akbar university and others saying this is forbidden, this is really wrong. So it has really helped galvanize an idealogical retort to the isis threat. Rose and what might they do then, is my question as well. We could certainly see an infence find intensified air campaign and that is what we are hearing from jordan now. I think we have to look beyond that. Rob pointed to a number of important elements that we need to keep in mind. The psychological dimensions political dimensions and cultural dimensions to this are very important. Because what weve seen is that the populations in syria and iraq, in many cases they dont particularly like isis. But they dislike the shia governments that were oppressing them even more than isis. And so as a result you didnt see a whole lot of local resistance to isis in these different areas. And in fact we always suspected that there was some degree of support coming from many of the sunni states of the region to isis in a whole variety of indirect ways whether it was allowing foreign fighters to move into the isis areas or Smuggling Oil and other money and goods out to sustain them financially. And i think that we can now hope and certainly have reason to expect that we will start to see a lot of that shut down. We wont see the flow of foreign fighters moving in there. We wont see the same level of trade. And all of these psychological, financial and even cultural factors will start to kind of erode at what at whatever support isis once had. Roberts . Thats rights. I think the most important plane right now is on the psychological idealogical plain. On the military side nothing dramatic will change other than the intensification. We still have a problem about no Ground Forces really capable of taking on ice nis syria. No Ground Forces really mobilized its sunni tribes to take on ice nis iraq. So onlied ground, less so but for the hearts and mines of the arab worm where the bat sell really being fought here there is a real opportunity to turn the tied against isis. I would caution they the film that isis put out that culminated at the end demonstrating or showing the pilot being burned came after isis showed a lot of bombing in the air of the coalition. The coalition that was burning arabs with its bombs and airplanes, and that is why they were emolatting the pilot. And so this has caused justify justifiable revulsion it could mobilize some recruits. Let me do a chex on where we are with respect to the air strikes. How successful have they been . I was just in iraq a couple of weeks ago. And talking to about Iraqi Military officials American Military officials you do get a very strong sense that these air strikes are having an impact on isis. They are hindering its operations. And i think the proof of all of that lies in what were seeing on the map at least in iraq. Syria is a very different story. But in iraq the isis fences have really been halted. Halted. Baghdad is no longer threatened by isis. You have had iraqi and Kurdish Forces pushing back on isis, pushing them out of the area south of baghdad out of the area northeast of baghdad and now encroaching on mosul in ever greater numbers. Isis tried to mount a major offensive to consolidate its hold over anbar. It made some small gains but really they were quite modest. And its this combination of the american lead air campaign. But we should also remember a lot of iraqi forces now operating on the ground able to push back on isis. And the problem there is that the iraqi forces that are operating on the ground arent necessarily the forces that we would like to be. A lot of them are the shia militias with very close ties to iran. And of course many of them seem to be engaged in nefarious activities of their own. Lots of reports of ethnic cleansing going on. There is some talk that they ought not focus on assad in the civil war in syria but ought to focus on isis. Is that argument having any traction . Well this is very important debate amongst the coalition amongst those who have been concerned about syria. Should isis be taken on in parallel with the assad regime given that president obama an many in the region have declared that assad should go and we have had now this brutal civil war taking place claiming over 200,000 lives. Or should be done sequentially. Now no one wants to say in essence that it should be done sequentially but that in effect is the american policy to date. So now it has been, we need to take on isis first and then well deal with assad. And if that means in the short term giving him a pass in terms of toppling him letting the russians pursue some diplomacy that will let him stay in place for now it wont be spoken as such but that is in effect what has been happening. And i think what has happened in the last 48 hourless with isis is only going to intensify that. The sense that isis has to be taken on quickly and urgently. And then well turn our attention to assad. But the two cannot be taken on simultaneously. Its just too much because you then have the question of what is going to account for order in syria following their removal. Robert and ken, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. Thank you for having us. Reggiest love is here. He had just graduated from Duke University where he was captain of the Basketball Team when he got a job forring for then senator barack obama in 2005. He quickly climbed the ranks from staff assistant to become the president s special assistant and personal aide. The two developed a close bond that lead obama to describe him as his little brother. Love delse the story of his time working with the president and a new book. It is called Power Forward my president ial education. Im pleased to have reggie love at this table. Welcome. Good to see you. Thank you so much for having me here today. I really appreciate you being here. Youre going to go down do durham tonight and see coach kay be vetted for a thousand wins as a College Basketball coach. Yeah. Its really an amazing opportunity. And i think the guy hes put so much work into it to have such a great program. But not just because of the amount of games that he wins. He does a great job of developing young basketball players into productive men. You look at sort of the proteges that hes got out there such good guys all over the place from billy king. Johnny talkins, jay williams jabillus, i mean theyre such a good i think the impact that he has on young men at such a young age is really its really a big deal in terms of overall growth. What impact did he have on you . I mean i mean theres so many theres so many of them. But i think the two that are probably the biggest are one i think you know, and i write about this in my book that the little plays matter. We go through life sometimes thinking that you know everything is going to be a home run or a three point shot or you know a slamdunk. But that ends up making the difference. And sometimes its not always just those things alone. You know, the guy who is diving on the ball on the floor after a loose ball. The guy who set the screen to get a teammate open. The guy who is tirelessly defending, i think those Little Things he acknowledges and he encourages and he inspires people to be committed enough to do those Little Things. What ive noticed is that he can relate to the biggest nba star is he as he did during the olympics like kobe bryant and others and at the same time he request re can relate to a walkon for his Basketball Team. Yeah me. Rose u. Your story you went to duke to play football. Yes, sir. Rose and were better at football. I was a pretty good football recruit. I probably got football offers from you know almost every school in the country by the time i was a junior in high school. And, but i in from north carolina. I grew up loving the game of basketball. Rose you just loved it more. I love it. Rose you became a gym rat as soons afoot ball season was over. Sometimes i didnt wait until football season to end. My coaches werent too happy about that, sometimes. Rose take the president take your parents does anybody mean more to you had more impact on you than coach kay . I mean between my father, the president o kbama and coach kay i mean i got pretty and i won the lottery in terms of mentors to have you know coming up. I think coach kay had me at a stage in life in which i probably thought i was a little more invincible than i actually was. Rose what did you think . You know when youre 18 and 19, you think youre going to be able to run and jump. There is nothing you think you cant do. And so and i tell a couple of stories of some of the mistakes i had to learn the hard way while i was you know a sophomore at duke. The president i think gave me a little more a little more perspective. You know i kind of you know when i was in college i studied hard and i got decent grades. But i kind of saw everything through the lens of sports. And when i started working with him traveling around to iowa and New Hampshire an nevada you know sports was always a good way to relate to people. But the things in the tipping points that really you know helped me to understand how people were living and saving and trying to like earn a decent living how they wanted to have a little bit of respect and dignity as theyre looking to retire. The ideas around health care some of the global conflicts and partnerships that we have. Those are the things that i have a firsthand chance to not only experience and see but to learn about. And i probably you know you know i probably dont. Rose you say that the president is as competitive as it gets. Yeah. I mean the president obama when hes a senator i mean the guy hates to lose at anything. You know there were times where you know, hes tired hes campaigning. Hes like man i dont i really just didnt want to do this right now. If anyone would say to him do you want to win . And all right fine lets do it. Rose there was a famous story about there was someone who what go in and if jack kennedy president ken dae during the campaign with Richard Nixon they would go to him f he was slow getting up they would say Richard Nixon has been up for an hour. Its a motivator. Rose lets talk about what you learned from him beyond character and beyond team work. First theres the famous story of when you lost the briefcase. Yes. Rose which had the debate notes in it. It had all his paperwork in it yeah. Rose so everything he needed was not there. Correct. Rose and tell me the story. Because it is a really important lesson here that i think is relevant to all of us. Tell me the story. So the story there is, its pretty simple. You know, i had the bag did not make it on to the plane from florida. Rose i thought that was your job to make sure the bag made it on to the plane. Plan to car, car to plane the bag should be there all the time. That was 100 . Rose good thing you werent in charge of the nuclear bag. Right. Never had that job. But you know, hopefully i would not leave that bag if that were my job. So we get in the car. Were riding into were landing in columbia, in the car were riding to our first stop in columbia. And he kind of turned back and he looks at me, he says hey, reggie wheres my bag . And i say and im thinking what do i say its lost you know its its en route. Its coming. Qu4 it not here . And so you know and i took full responsibility for it. And i worked. Rose you said i screwed up. I worked my butt off to get it back to make sure there was nothing missing in t that he didnt go too long without it. And he said to me too. He sat me down after you know we got to the first stop and he said look reggie if you ares not up for doing this job then ill find someone else who can. Because if i cant focus on running for president because im too busy worried about pay bag or my clothes or whatever. Rose i could give this speech. Yeah. So yeah so that was that was the last time that ever happened. Rose but the more important thing is, is that you said it was my fault. You basically said to him i screwed up. You didnt try to say well, it was somebody else they it was supposed to be here and they accident get it here,. My fault. Rose my responsibility and he was impressed by that. I think he was. Rose he also told you that he was going to beat hillary pretty early on. I mean, i think it was it was probably late summer where i think he had there was a moment in which he kind of said to us, like he really. Rose were going to win this thing. Were going to win this thing. And he there was a Little Exchange with senator clinton on the tarmac and you know the conversation got very heated. And he was composed. He just kind of was kposd handled it. Got back on the plane. And wasnt wasnt frazzled. Rose people take a note of and ask why there is a kind of aloofness and a detachment. Yeah. Rose why is that . You know its interesting. People have win that. And i think theres a lot of stuff behind if some of it is the comparison to bill clinton. Because bill clinton was so amazing at making people feel like they were the only person in the room. All the stories about the card games and having people come and sleep in the lincoln bedroom and all sorts of things. And i tell people all the time that the president is very different from bill clinton in the fact that you know the president has two small children. I guess theyre not small now. Theyre actually pretty big if you have seen them. Theyre tall, taller than. Rose the tallest one, the oldest one is about 5, 10. Shes almost 6 feet tall. She is like 510, or 5 11. Rose and hes about what 6, 1. Hes about 6 2. Rose . And so i think what was really important to him was he wanted to be i think he wanted to have some normalsy for the girls and wanted to be a good parent. It was important for him to be home for dinner as much as he could. If he wasnt traveling. Like if he was in d.