That they are actually ready to go through what it would mean to go through. And if i think if he ends up saying no, the main reason will be because he felt that his main duty was to take care of them rather than pursue his political ambitions. Rose we continue with pattie sellers of Fortune Magazine talking about the 50 most powerful women in american business. To me its also very much about humanizing these women who were not born leaders. Rose yes. They had to make their way up and they have their insecurities and their vulnerabilities. And we like to show that. And we like them to be role models for young women on the way up because we hear from young women that they are very confused about how to navigate their careers. Rose we con lewd this evening with logan green and john zim, cofounders of lyft, the challenger to uber. People i have done done it for limos, black cars as a car service. So we had to forge a lot of new ground with regulations, creating Regulatory Environment where you could use your personal vehicle. And weve also differed on the experience weve created. The first tag line of the company was your friend with a car. And part of that is creating an equality between driver and passenger. Because longterm we want every driver on the road that is safe and gone through our background check process to be a lyft driver. And so when youre on your way going somewhere, you could actually earn money and get someone elsewhere they need to go. Most powerful women, and looking at lyft when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by american express. Rose additional funding provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose we begin this evening with the 2016 president ial race. Speculation has been growing around the potential candidacy of Vice President e biden. In an emotional interview with on late night with Stephen Colbert last thursday he questioned whether he has the energy to run. I dont think any man or woman should run for president unless, number one, they know exactly why they would want to be president. Two, they can look at the folks out there and say i promise you you have my whole heart, my whole soul, my energy and my passion to do this. And, and i would be lying if i said that i knew i was there. Rose joining me is John Heilemann of Bloomberg Politics and host ofings with request all due respect. He reported today the Vice President met with a Major Campaign finance year during his trip to new york. Swoining me is mark halperin, from San FranciscoJohn Dickerson, the host of cbss face face, the nation and head of political unit at cbs news. Im pleased to have all of them at this program. Let me begin with joe biden. The significance of the fact that you reported that he met with a wellknown bundler for barack obama who is supporting Hillary Clinton. Yes, well, robert wolf, former c. E. O. Of ubs americas, a huge bundler for o decided no the to goomeone with Hillary Clinton in 200 will, raised a lot of money for obama an became personally close to obama in a which that almost no one else in the Business Community has. Rose and a golfing buddy. And a golfing buddy. He is nominally for secretary clintonton. He has in the raised any money or signed up to be a meggar bundlering. So if you have thinking of defecters, me would be someone you what want to talk to. The Vice President met with him on secret on friday, not on his public schedule for about 90 minutes. The way i would describe it is the beginning of a courtship. You know, vase President Biden is to the asking donors to sign up with him yet because he doesnt know if he is going to run yet. But hes starting to lay the ground work for that conversation. And this is an audacious move by biden in some ways. Hes to the been out public leigh himself. His campaign is talking to a lot of donors, he himself has done a little bit of that. But to go and do this and that, they wanted to keep it quiet and that didnt happen because of me. But they for him to go and hes also been very careful about not riling up the clintons. For him to go and pete with a goldplated donor. Unsuccessful in that. A gold plated donor on hillary chrn tons side, its a move to a different kind of posture, a little more audacity be his part and shows that although he has not yet decided, he is moving in the direction of yes. And not in the direction of no. He may still end up at no but right now the momentum is towards yes. Rose mark, do you agree with that . I agree that hes doing a lot of things because hes got his eye on the clock. And while i think this is still a personal decision and not a political decision, i still think he doesnt need to do fear leigh as much to raise money and build his organization as a normal candidate does. There is no doubt that the people around joe biden have said to him there are certain things we need to do, certain things you need to do if this is going to be even plausible and he moved in that direction. Where is the clock . Well, as john reports, its later than some people think. Theres a debate in the middle of next month, the first democratic debate. I dont think he needs to be in that. This is a campaign about saying i need to be ready if the Democratic Party needs me. If i can prove to people that im a better alternative than Hillary Clinton or personyear sanders, the party can turn to me even though i have got then late, even though i havent spent as many hours an days in New Hampshire. You think about joe biden when he first got elected to the senate. And faced a very similar decision. Which is can i go be a United States freshman unites states senator after i have dealt with a horrible tragedy of losing loved ones in a way that, obviously is wrenching. He faces the same decision now. Then he had been elected to the senate but he thought about maybe not taking office. One one thing i have been told by people close to him and you heard it in another part of that colbert interview is his sense of identity going back to what mark said about after his wife and daughter died, his sense of identity is is built in part on what he said is getting up. Which he talked about with colbert. The fact that when you are in such a state of grief that his mother and his father, he gave two different expressions that they both had about the duty to get up and soldier on. And that that is a part of the biden identity. That is a part of what beau bidens with about and its what beau biden was asking him to do when he said dad, when im gone, i want to make sure youre okay. One way it has been described to me a way in which bow biden and the sadness of his death are holding him back but they are also compelling him in a way. And that is a part of this emotional picture as well. And if you were trying too sort of keep the flame alive of beau biden, you would soldier on in the face of that grief. And so i think theres a push and a pull on the emotional side here. Its totally true. And there are two things to build on what mark and john both said. What the Vice President believes now, he talked about this in the colbert thing too. He thinks that he has a rational that he can explain for why he wants to be president and why he would be a better president than Hillary Clinton in a way she can never do. He thinks he would be better at the job and he thinks he can explain it in a way that people will find real. And that people will understand in a way shes incapable of doing. Thats one thing that is true. Rose and what is that explanation. Well, he thinks that he is still joe biden. He is the fighter for the middle class, for the working class in america, rebuilding the middle class of the american economy. And that he can talk about that in an authentic way that she cant. He also thinks that this moment is unique in that in that the craving for authenticity that we always have in our politics is particularly acute right now. And both he and the people around him look at the donald trump phenomenon and they say, donald trump has gotten this far by basically telling it like it is. That not only talks, speaks to one of bidens strengths but also the fact that trump can get away paging what other people think of as mistakes, that there is so much craving for authenticity that there is a greater tolerance for screwups. And as we know the Vice President sometimes puts his foot in his mouth. They see that as also a sign of the moment and the opening. On the emotional side that john was just talking about, it is a push and a pull. And i actually think at this point the part that is pulling him towards it, the fact that beau wanted him to run and wanted him to run all along, the fact of getting back up off the mat and soothing yourself through work and through a mission, those are very strong in him. The place thats pulling him back is the family. And he is an old school, a friend of his, very close friend of his for many years said to me in this piece i wrote, said he is an old school, oldfashioned patriarch. He believes his fundamentals duty is to take care of his family. He lacks at his wife. He looks at his sister. He looks at his now widowed daughterinlaw, his grandchildren. And he is not sure that even though they will say to him its okay if you run, hes not sure that they are actually ready to go through what it would mean to go through. And if i think if he ends up saying no, the main reason will be because he felt that his main duty was to take care of them rather than pursue his political ambitions. I want to talk about two things. What is the risk if he goes and loses. Well, he would have run three times and lost. And hes a proud guy. And i dont think as an incumbent Vice President you want to find yourself in that position. You know, he doesnt know what hes going to do. So its hard for us to know, impossible for us to know. But i think the reality is none of us would be surprised if he ran. And i dont think any of us would be surprised if he didnt run. If he runs hes an underdog. There is no doubt about it. But hes also significantly better positioned than he was in 88, and hes significantly better positioned than he was in 2008. So his best chance to be president of the unites States States and i think that his vision of how to do it is not normal. In the past it is how much could i raise. Could i raise as much, could i raise enough. He doesnt really have to think in those terms. I think he is confident on the debate stage based on his performance in 2008. If he can get on the stage, if he can have enough of an organization to take advantage of the doubts about hill re clinton, that he can win. But i think i know, i dont know how much this is a calculation of his. But i know a lot of people who care about him do not want him to run, halfheartedly an in a distracted way and lose. And theres a lot of people who care about him in the white house who feel that for all of Hillary Clintons vulnerability, shes still significantly stronger than he would be. And are worried about the trauma of soldiering on, standing up, fighting forward, running, and then potentially not doing well at all. Rose so John Dickerson go ahead, john. Just to pick up on what mark is saying. I horde a version of the same thing. Which is, and biden, from the people i talked to is very well aware of this, the old line is your best day is the day before you announce. But there is another kind of sharper, painful part of the conversation that could take place if this became a campaign in earnest. Which is right now he is at the top of his game. If he were to not run for all the reasons that john outlined and mark as well, then he leaves the field, everybody wants more from joe biden. And he ends on a real high note. What i have heard from people inside the white house who have worked with him who really like him is that once you get to a conversation about whether he would be a great president , it starts to get pretty ugly and pretty hard pretty fast. And that if the campaign doesnt go as he would like, then it kind of ends on a bit of a sour note. And there, because they have his interest at heart, at least as they have explained it to me, thats why they worry about him actually launching in a fullfledged campaign. Rose which brings me to my question which is it a doable deal. Can joe biden, and what are the odds that joe biden if he is all in, if he is all in, can win the nomination. Well, now youre at theres a little bit of a bank shot quality to this, right. If mark and i and i believe john, if we all accept the notion that he gets in quite late now, maybe he waits until early november, hes not going to build an iowa operation where hes going to go and the key with Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton in iowa. Hes not probably going to be able to build a New Hampshire operation. What theyre focused on is South Carolina. And theyre focused on a scenario that looks like Bernie Sanders beats Hillary Clinton in iowa, beats her in New Hampshire in one or the other or both. Wounds her sufficiently in those first two contests that then you come to South Carolina and biden is waiting. And a wounded clinton and a sanders who is not particularly cut out for well suited for the demographics of South Carolina, they roll down there. And biden is the waiting alternative. And you know, scenario where she lost or was severely wounded in the first three contests, now you have now you really have a path for swro biden to go on and win the nomination there say little bit of a bank shot quality. She goes on and wins iowa, the wol wol thing is out the window. What happened to Hillary Clinton,. She chose to get in this race as the email scandal is mushrooming. She could have dealt with the email scandal in a more efficient or effective way. That has dogged her throughout. And even though the polls are kind of mixed on whether voters think that should be an issue or how big a factor it is for them. She has she has got herself so yolked up in that and raising questions about her elect ability. Her authenticity, her truthfulness, and the two other things that are happening concurrent with that, one is none of us expected personyear sanders to be the performer that he has been and i mean that in the best of ways of the. His connection to voters, his ability to speak in an honest way, in a heartfelt way and the mood of the country where whatever your views of the clintons and the bushes and or any individual members of the family, a real disdain for the notion that the country would be left as a bush and a clinton for the major nominees when he had want change i think she is still the most likely president of the United States because the republican race is still unsettled and we dont know who will emerge there. But her connection to this notion of that she is an historic figure, a qualified figure, an exciting figure has all been overwhelmed by the other factors that i said. And the email scandal managing it, and as poorly as its been managed, in a year where authenticity is what everybody is talking about, has forced her on an almost daily basis or certainly her campaign, to engage in a series of inauthentic acts. A variety of explanations that dont feel like youre getting the full story. And as pelter said on face the nation, the most authentic thing was she didnt want to have to answer why she had this separate email system that is her you then particular view, it is just the authentic view was not sustainable. And so she has had the actual problem with the email and what people have decided to think about that. Then shes had the fact that everything that is done outside of that looks like a stratege murx to distract from the email story even if its not. And finally there is no breathing room for her to launch a big speech about college afford able that might get people excited in a way that speech or a speech on the same top sick getting people excited with bernie sandiers. Rose is it possible that the email scan dal will get worse . Or likely. Well, if it is true that the server has not been wiped as the Washington Post reports, that in fact there is more recoveriable on that server than it first seemed, first she said basically its been we got the im press that it had been completely almost destroyed. If, in fact, all those 30,000 emails were deleted are accessible in some way by investigators, i think that is an avenue for things to get worse. This is an important question. So does anybody know the answer as to whether who has possession of the server and whether the server has been a, wiped or b simply delated. Well, the f. B. I. Has it. But theyre not doing a political investigation or journalistic investigation. Theyre doing a security investigation. So theyre more interested in the question of whether classified information or secret information got into the wrong hands. Its possible that congress will come after the server in it turns out that they learn that there is data on there. And that could be a big problem for her. I think if the f. B. I. Determines that there was a breach on her system, i think that potentially makes it worse. I think some of the issues involving her staff could potentially make it worse. The release of more of these emails coming out month by month could make it worse. And finally this congressional system next month. You know, her history has been when shes gone up to capitol hill, republicans have completely misplayed their hand in the moment and in the aftermath. And shes co