Buzzword thing and people are saying its the evolution of video games and cinema, really what it is is technology communicating with us in a human way. In a way the world communicates with us through our senses and fundamentally the medium is human experience. Rose the foreign minster of argentina. Funding is provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose Susana Malcorra is here. She is argentinas minister of Foreign Affairs pointed by Mauricio Macri who became the first conservative president since 1916 and spent a decade at the United Nations and served as under secretary and is expected to be the u. N. Candidate for welcome. Thanks for having me. Rose listen, were fortunate to have you here. You have said some interesting things and your country has always had an interesting journey. Sometimes torturous and sometimes disappointing and i want to get a sense where you think argentina is today and you are going on a trip around the world. This is what you have said. Its clear we have to do today is show the world that argentinas is trust worthy. That we have become a partner that can be talked with and part of a longterm project though historically there may be proof that we havent behaved always she way we should. Thats a candid statement about your country. I stand by that. Within a relation between people its true between countries the notion of the value of underword is essential. That has been part of our problem historically going from one view to the other one, pendulum. Which i think it has created a tension in our relations with the world. You dont change this overnight but the intention is to be more predictable. Rose there was an interesting thing im not sure who first said it and it said is iraq the way it is because sadam the way he is or and is argentina have the relationship because of the way it is or because of the leadership its had . Well, i do believe leadership has a strong influence. I do believe leadership shapes agenda and that was the case probably more so in the 20th century. Now the dynamics are a bit different. In the 20th century it had an influence i think argentina had a very strong populist history which shaped the agenda and set the tone for the way we are, the culture we have, how we behave. How we stand before the rest of the world which is another interesting thing because i feel sometimes we dont stand on our feet and right and views Strong Enough because of this whole populist approach we have had. Rose did you become Prime Minister . You should ask the president that. Rose i assume he had told you. Well, no, he did not. He said people talk to him about me. We knew each other from my times in the private sector and one day back in october i got a phone call on my mobile and it was him and said susana how are you and i said congratulations. It was between the first and second round and he said i want you to be my Prime Minister and i said i have a commitment to the secretary general and i said you mobilized me. Id like to speak to you and a flew to argentina to see if we can see eye to eye on what i should be doing. Rose did you tell ban ki moon you were going down to talk . The only one who knew was the secretary general who said you will do it. I met with the thencandidate. The next day he became the president president elect and i said yes and two days later i was there. Rose people are are looking to argentina for a new beginning. Have you a person who knows most the international characters from your own roles at the United Nations and all of us loved where we are from. Thats something the connection between person and land and able to serve is a wonderful opportunity. For me it was a pending homework because i was at the university during the dictatorship and was active in politics but either you probably disappear or you left politics. I took the second role. There was also spending i had not done enough to serve my country and i was happy with what i was doing at the United Nations. Going fully back to politics was not an option. Im out of that. This was a way to leverage my experience and really add value to a project that hopefully will resurge argentina in a mature way. Rose lets start with the United States. Whats the relationship with the United States today . Its excellent. It used to be we were talking about relations so i asked the question, its not carnal, its mature. The u. S. Has its interest and we have ours and we try to find the common space and discuss things the way they should because there are opportunities that are winwin i deeply believe that. Rose what are those opportunities . Clearly in everything that has to do with trade we can offer things to the such such a large market that is interesting and picks up our capacity to create jobs which is one of our themes but investments from the u. S. And argentina and we are going now with a very important infrastructure proposal. Renewables, ports, all the things the u. S. Is good at meaning the private sector in the u. S. Everything there to win really. Rose one of the issues about argentina other than its Economic Issues which were always there is its relationships and who it seems to like the most. You take venezuela, you take cuba, you take iran, the list goes down. Was that just the part of one regime or does it represent something we should understand . First of all, i believe that one should relate to everybody except for very few exceptions that dont comply with the basic principles of human rights. Rose rule of law. Except for that one should be able to relate to everybody and historically argentina comes from a nonaligned movement. The confrontation between east and west and defining the center space. But i think what we are trying to say and i said that from to the first day i arrives in office we have to have extended relations that are state policy and that are not ideological and based on the priorities and needs and interest of the country. So you sit and you discuss on equal footing based on that and you are very respectful of the disagreements about the other. Thats the other thing in argentina the 80 20 relationship always comes up. We tend to focus on the 20 and we need to be on the 80. That may create trust so instead of 20 it becomes 15 or 10. Therell be a remaining something you dont agree and thats fine. Rose what do you want the u. S. To do . Its important for the government to convey the message they feel comfortable from a general perspective, policy perspective were doing things in the right way but essentially to have the Business Community interested in argentina and for that we have to work a lot. Youre neighbor, brazil is having its problems. Hows that affect argentina . Well, deeply. First, we have a common market. We are neighbors, strong neighbors. Brazil is not any neighbor, its a huge country. 20 of our trade is with brazil so say in the First Quarter the trade with brazil fell 13 , 12 of your trade is off the table. Not only affects politically and socially but economically. For us to have a strong brazil and a brazil that goes through this process not only making sure it follows due process and it arrives to the place where institutions are preserved is key for us because we need brazil to be successful. Rose what does it take for brazil to be successful . Its an interesting question. Im on the phone with my colleagues in buenos airs and i think theyre trying to find a way to sort out the impeachment question. I believe theyre going to find a solution. I think brazil will come out stronger out of this i cannot say exactly how. Theres a mature leadership in brazil and i think they are discussing the options. The problem is how long it takes. Rose theres been discussion because of petrobras. Others say its a soft coup. Well, when you look at the merits of the case the president is being evaluated on there is not a very strong case. I think you cannot challenge the legality of the process. You can sort of ask about the legitimacy of the process. Thats what makes people uncomfortable. In the end theyre talking about how you use the different lines of budget within the government if you were to pursue any president s, most would be impeached around the world. How much of that is politically driven but also true the institutions are working based on a guideline. You need it walk a thin line to not go too far in your conclusions and hope they can sort it out on rose when you proceed on the trip youre taking, whats your message to other countries about the Foreign Policy of argentina or the administration of the new president . Well, essentially we are open to the world. We want to be part of the world. We deeply believe being integrated to the world is an opportunity not a threat. Its a major philosophical departure. The president believes this very much. I believe this very much coming from where i come. Rose and what did the Administration Believe . They felt essentially there were certain parts of the world that were worth it relating to and essentially not necessarily up to be considered. I think the world is the world is one. Then you can pick and choose where you put in the twoway street not that you pick and choose. You are picking and choosing also. The dynamics of being able to sit at the table and talk and say, listen, these are my interests, these are yours. Is there a way to have a common perspective here. Thats a connection exercise and thats what were trying to do to drive what the president has defined as the First Priority to drive poverty down which you only do if you create jobs. Rose is that the objective of the administration, drive poverty down . He drives the objectives. Elimination of poverty, the fight of trafficking and the union of the argentinians and the rule of law. Those are his priorities. Those priorities drive my agenda as foreign minister. Rose what could go wrong . You have a new president and experienced foreign minister. Have you a sense of mission. What could go wrong . What do you worry about . Interesting you ask. The one thing you that is happening and not only in argentina but in the region and other places in the world, people voted president macri but didnt give him the sum of power. He is the president but he has a congress where he has the minority. What people have told politicians is now you sort it out. You sit around the table and fix this mess. In a nice negotiated where where nobody has the sum of power. Then governors that traditionally were very much left out from the picture had a strong part of the joy stick because theyre the ones who calibrate where the Congress Stands on issues. So the situation is were moving out of a strong president ial system, very centralize and dependent on one person to a much more consensus Building System but you need to exercise and its not easy to do. So many things could go wrong but my sense is the argentinians have given a clear sense of were sick and tired, fix it. The governors are close to the president in the sense of need to deliver. So in the end politics become something about doing things for the people. I think the chances are very high it will go well. Rose how important was president obamas reestablishing a relationship with can cuba to latin america. Very important. Rose theyre desperately waiting to see some americans. When president obama was reelected for my job i had the opportunity to meet people close to him and of course himself. They asked me what would be what would you ask in the process of the election to do and i said without a doubt reestablish communication with cuba. What happens historically happened many years ago and things have changed. It proved to yield nothing so why continue to do something that it was one of those things i saw as a win an easy win and the president did an excellent job in moving ahead. Rose venezuela. Whats going to happen in venezuela . Well, were working closely. In fact i came thursday because there was a question its a place in the middle of serious crisis on many levels. Political. Interestingly enough there again you have the executive that is still in the hands of the regime but have you your position it has full control. How do you make them Work Together . How do you find a perspective and then you have economic crisis driven by the cost of oil, the cost of commodities going down and you have an additional crisis the fact there is lack of basic goods to the markets so people dont have medicine, and now they are shutting power down. Its a very explosive situation. My view is we need to try to help both sides of the aisle and the vatican is involved now. Theyre trying to see whether we can be helpful in them coming to a conversation. Rose finally, the United Nations and the secretary generals job. Would you like it . Well, i think its simple to say id like it. I love that organization. I came to the u. N. If you told me 14, 13 years ago youd be involved in the u. N. I would have told you but then i came to the u. N. And i discovered theres this amazing construction, very difficult to put your arms around but its there in moments where no one else is there. I care about it and i think i can add value in the organization but that is something in the hands of my president. Rose your president or the Recommendation Council of the president so he has to decide if its good for it country. Do you think theres a sense in the Global Community its time a woman is at the head of a United Nations . There is a strong sense its time for a woman, definitely. There was another sense its time for Eastern Europe to have it. The fact theyre talking about a woman that then brings my name to the forefront. Latin america felt strongly if it was Eastern Europe thats okay but the minute its not we only had one secretary general so we stand as a region so we shall see. Rose its great to have you here. It was good to be here. Foreign minister of argentina. Back in a moment, stay with us. Rose for decades Virtual Reality has been the frontier. What might it be like to spend an afternoon on the noon, experience a war zone from your coach and live in the past as if its the present. Now the technology is catching up to the ideas. In 2013 facebook bought ock oculus and anyone can create and experience anything they want. After oculus came a Virtual Reality industry from headsets to game and television and an industry estimated at 150 billion within the next four years. Currently Virtual Technology is being used to improve journalism, health care, criminal justice and engineering. Theres ethical considerations to be made and the technology is in early stages. While it poses promise and pearl it looks ready to go mainstream. Jake silverstein heads the Virtual Reality and nellie bowls and jason rubin is the head of studios at oculus and Neville Spiteri and chris milk from a Virtual Reality company. Im pleased to have each of them and all of them to understand where Virtual Reality is about and where its going. Tell me what it is. First explain what it is. Its a technology that immerses you in an environment using Camera Technology thats able to create a full spherical field of imagery that gives you the impression of being in the location or midst of a scene different than the one youre in. Its gotten to the point now after many years where the fidelity to real experience is so great it can take the viewer, trick the mind into believing it is almost a real experience. Its gotten to that level of fidelity. Rose wheres it beingm used today . In a huge variety of application. We focussed on journalism and entertainment and video games are a major application. Mentioned other, health care, engineering, military has been using it for years for training and other exercises. Theres a few applications. Rose Mark Zuckerberg said its the next platform. Is he right . I think so. Rose thats why he bought oculus. If it works it takes over your senses. Right now were work on the eyes. Once youve taken over somebodys eyes and i understand you experienced it last night you were at the only of a building and felt the fear of walk off though it was fake imagery and once you do that you can take the place of things. Can put a tv screen in front of you, you can put 50 screens in front of you or in the front row of a basketball game or in front of your friend on the other side of the planet when you can do that it replaces things and becomes the next place to go for re entertainment and socializing. Rose is there a precedent for how revolutionary it can become . When can we remember a change in a new medium altogether. I cant remember one in my life time i think a decade from now well look at v. R. As a milestone because its possible to create the sense of presence that couldnt be possible previously. I think if you look historically in the second half of the 1800s we as a species figured out how to record and broadcast moving picture and sound. Out of that Technology Grows a multitude of immediate cinema, really what it is is technology communicating with us in a human way in the way the world communicates with us through our senses. And fundamentally the medium is human experience. I agree with you guys. I think its going to be an enormous platform and the potentials huge i dont think were there yet. Even in the next couple years. You can do experimental stuff and have short experiences but in terms of a long immersive experience or rose what do they need to get there . I think a lot of it is in terms of talent. The creators and the language on how to tell a story on v. R. Hasnt