Side. And so thats that missing ingredient of the emotional connection. But that is how we vote. Rose emotion. It goes back to, i sometimes think of life as a Student Council election. Back in the lunchroom, you didnt vote for the kid with the better platform. You voted for tom because you liked him. That is how elections are. Rose we continue with david saninger of the New York Times talking about president obamas trip to asia, an interview recorded before the president s trip to hiroshima. The trick here is to try to draw, use the chinese aggressiveness to play off of the insecurities of these countries and make sure that they recognize that its the United States with whom theyve got the best longterm possibilities. Rose we conclude with Saoirse Ronan stars on broadway in the crucible. Shes someone who is very selfassured, even though shes only 16, 17. Shes shes kind of wise for her years in some way, i think. And she stands and she can stand on her own quite well. And there are so many different scenarios within the play where i actually come face to face with one of the main male characters. And sort of talk them down. And so thats the type of young girl she is. Rose politics, Foreign Policy and broadway when we continue. Funding for carlie rose is provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose we begin this evening with politics and a report delivered to congress yesterday. The state departments Inspector General criticized Hillary Clintons emails. The report said clinton violated Government Policies in using a private email account as secretary of state. Critics are asking why she did not seek permission to use it and why she refused to cooperate with the Inspector Generals investigation. Clinton has yet to respond to the report herself. At a Campaign Event in anaheim last night donald trump capitalized on the news. She is as crooked as they come. She had a little bad news today, as you know, from some reports came down, werent so good. But not so good, Inspector Generals report, not good. Rose the fbis investigation continues. Clinton has said she would be willing to sit for an interview. The news also comes as Bernie Sanders closes in on clintons lead in california. Amy chozick of the New York Times joins us from the New York Times bureau. She say political reporter who focuses on clinton and from washington Steven Lee Myers of the times. Im pleased to have both of them back on this program. Let me begin with this question. Where are we if day two of this story. Well, you know, i think the Clinton Campaign faces a central challenge. And that is her trust numbers. And the latest New York Times poll, 64 of registered voters said they did not trust Hillary Clinton. That is the same amount as donald trump. And i think theyre wondering how do we overcome that, that central challenge has collided with this new report that is, you know, in some ways very damning. And i think the most damnk because you play that clip of donald trump, it plays right into the narrative that he is trying to craft of her, as crooked, as not being trust worthy, as finding ways ways tot around the rules. Rose Steven Lee Myers, what do you think, day two. I think a lot of people are still digesting the report. The report is only one of several that are coming. Judicial watch, a conservative Watchdog Group is doing depositions now, seeking more information about why she created this private server. Who knew about it. What were the security risks involved, on top of the fbi investigation which is also coming down the pike. So i think the Inspector Generals report as critical as it was is only the first in what is bowdged to be more troamps surrounding her use of the server. Rose are you surprised by the response . I mean you would think that they would want to put this behind them. But if, in fact, you are answering in a way that makes people question your response, youre not putting it behind you. You know, i think that all along through the campaign they have tried to play this down, saying that this was something that previous secretaries of had done specifically, colin powell, that is using an email account. But what the Inspector Generals report did was undercut some of the justifications or explanations that they have made, that she herself has made. That this was not approved by the state departments security and Records Management officials. And that she hadnt asked. If she had asked, it would not have been approved. And the report and all the details included in it makes it clear that it was created an awkward situation for people in the department too to try to accommodate this server. Not everybody knew about it. And you see situations where people were trying to figure out how to work around that. And that added, i think, to some of the surprise that came out of this report. These werent things that we knew. And it did suggest that there was more of an effort to avoid the scrutiny of the emails, that would be expected of official records. Do you believe amy that she knew it would not be approved . I believe that she there is a line in there that says that she an aid expresses concern about the private server. She says she is willing to get a second device or an official email address just as long as the personal never gets out. So i think that, you know, that line to me was particularly damning. It seemed to, you know, add into peoples perception that she was keeping this private server to keep her correspondent private. And as steven said, other secretaries of state have done that. Colin powell has done that. Of course he is not running for president against an opponent who is very much trying to craft him as, quote, crooked. And to also to stevens point, they have tried to put this behind them. Last summer the emails dogged their campaign, you remember. And she finally offered this very belabored apology. She had said, im sorry. People are confused for ages. Finally that looked like it wasnt going to cut it. And she finally apologized but, you know, its almost aier later and its still haunting her candidacy. Rose is there Division Within the clirch ton campaign as to what to Clinton Campaign as to what to do about this . I think theyre trying to figure it out as they go. There is a lot of division in terms of trying to confront trump and how much you sort of play into him. But i think steven is right, they have been trying to downplay it, say that every secretary of state has done this. That it was nothing outside the usual practice. Rose you would think that she would want to sit there, almost like the laid Geraldine Ferraro did and answer every question and sort of exhaust the thing. Or as she did in her famous pretty in Pink Press Conference over the cattle futures. Rose exactly. Right. But remember, she did that. And before she started running, she had that press conference at the United Nations with just an onslawt of questions about the emails and she gave very sort of cautious legal responses. That press conference did not go over well. People said she looked defensive. It didnt, obviously, were still talking about it. It didnt do much to squelch all of the criticism. And so im sure theyre wondering what benefit is one of those press conferences when we tried that. Rose steven, what is she most what can she most hope for in this . Show that some other bigger story would come along and knock this off the front page . I think because of the legal processes that are under way, the fbi investigation, a number of Court Hearings into freedom of information requests for Additional Information about the emails. I think the best she could hope for is that there are no more revelations about what was known and who knew it when. The, you know, there are serious questions raised in the Inspector Generals report about adhering to federal law, to the guide lines for preserving records, for taking security precautions. There is an email that went out under her name that they site talking about the risk of using your person 58 email and conducting personal business even as she was continuing to do that throughout her tenure. I think the best that they could hope for at this point is that nothing more scarring than coming out than what has already. Rose i assume that they would hope also that if the fbi report comes out and she testified which will be obviously a huge amount of attention, that the fbi will come out with a report that in a sense suggests that she did nothing, that nothing that was damaging in terms of National Security or the like. Amy, help me out, steven, help me out. I would say one of her strongest points ever in this campaign was when she sat down for 13 hours of testimony in the benghazi hearing. Rose exactly. So if pressed to answer questions and do so publicly, i think thats actually a good fore mat for her. It makes voters think she is being transparent. She is being bullied. You know, she walked away from benghazi the winner. That was very much seen as a polit sized hearing, even a partisan display from both sides. The fbi investigation, its going to be hard to portray that that way. Because i think and it also wont be public. They wont put out a report necessarily. They will make a recommendation to the department of justice on whether or not they believe any crimes were committed. And it will be up to justice to decide whether or not to bring any cases. That can go any number of ways. Some of them could be incredible nightmares for the campaign. But even the fact of an interview with the fbi in the middle of a president ial campaign certainly is not a good optic for the campaign. And so i am sure theyre going to hope that the fbi decides that there were no crimes committed. And at this point we dont know what theyre going to do. Yeah, steven makes a good point. So much of the clintons campaigns response has been her republican adversaries are blowing this out of proportion to hurt her during a political season. The report yesterday was particularly damning because it wasnt from a partisan it was from her own state department. Rose can Bernie Sanders win california . It was looking impossible until very recently. We have just gotten new polling that shows that they are in a dead heat in california. I till think he is the underdog there. She has a deep reservoir of support. But you know, the Clinton Campaign had intended to shift all of its resources into the general election by this point. And they said that they will be going on air with ads in california. This was sort of unheard of a few weeks ago when we thought that everything was going to be pushed to ohio, florida, you know, pennsylvania, places where theyre ready to take on trump. Rose and what about trump and sanders in a debate . That would be fun. Donald trump just said in his press conference that he would do it for charity if they raise 10 Million Dollars for charity, he would debate bernie, and for bernie, you know, that campaign is having some money problems. California is their last stand. I think theyre looking for free media. And what could be more free media than debating donald trump. Rose thank you, amy. Thank you. Thanks. Rose thank you, steven. Thank you. Rose well be right back. Stay with us. We begin the week with politics. Hillary clintons private email server is back in the news. There have been more incidents of violence at donald trump rallies and there may be one more debate before the california primaries. But its not one that everybody expected. Mike all sen here with that and more. He is the chief White House Correspondent for politico and the editor of the play book blog. As always were thrilled to him him here. Welcome. Thank you for having me at the table. Rose heres what we know. We know that donald trump has reached enough delegates. Big trump. Rose when will Hillary Clinton reach the same point . Well, charlie, this is the amazing reversal of fortune. Remember when this process started, we thought that there was one vy able democrat and 17 republicans, three, four, five, six viable ones. And now shes having to go till the very end. Bernie sanders, pushing her. Bernie sanders looking stronger, getting more coverage. Last weekend the great saturday night live segment where you had Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders in a bar, at closek time. And sanders wouldnt leave. That was the great setup. Rose what is wrong with the Clinton Campaign . Is it the candidates . The Clinton Campaign needs excitement. And theres such an excitement deficit between trump and her. And what is a dilemma for secretary clinton is stediness, seriousness, cautiousness, is her brand. And you would assume that in these times, thats what people want. Rose perfect anecdote to donald trump. Yes. But its not. So you can remember see saying this fall, to you, when we have the summer of trump and the fall of trump, i used to say, you know, at any moment something could happen in the world that would remind people this is a real job. And then we have the attack in paris. And trump went up. And so people want or at least a large number of voters who now the two of them are tied in national polls. Something that is none of us saw coming. Interestingly enough, the white house didnt see it coming. Were talking to them the other day. They were surprised by how quickly its become a neck and neck race and by how quickly republicans have mostly closed ranks behind trump. Rose lets look at this in a bigger way. You said to me on the phone earlier today, this fore tells the next five months. Absolutely. Rose so we saw donald trump, no guard rails. The gorilla campaign, putting out an instagram, making accusations against bill clinton, that no one has. And a decade. A picture of bill clinton with a significant ar and sigar telling the wash ton post that he is going to start looking into conspiracy theories. Rose vince foster. Yes, yes. So thats for the Clinton Campaign, do you respond. If you dont, youre accused of micking the swift boat mistake. But the other side of that coin is you could spend the next five months talking about things that you dont want to talk about, that you dont want to remind voters of. Rose and you dont want to become donald trump. Right. Rose by trying to attack him the same way he is attacking her because marco rubio tried that and it didnt work for him. That will be tempting. So when the egyptair plane went down and donald trump right away tweeted there was terrorism, at the time we didnt know ma what it was. And still dont know. Exactly. But then you saw Hillary Clinton talking about the plane and terrorism. So she doesnt want to look weak. And so how to look strong and not play trumps game is really difficult, needle to thread. And they have not yet cracked that code. Here is the interesting thing. I have friends of mine that are politically savey say if there was a major terrorism event in this country, it would play into trumps hands. He is going to play the security. This will be his message. I guarantee. He will talk about him being a family man and interestingly enough ds. Rose he has a good argue. Yes, with kids. Family man, pragmatic businessman and hes going to appeal to security moms. And he will project strength at a time that people want. Rose i thought we said that was her. Careful, serious with a big resume. Has been there, yes. Has been there. Rose that was the ads you ran against obama. Without do you want answering the phone at 3 a. M. So thats why on paper, secretary clinton is still the favorite. Secretary clinton has hisry on her side. She has demographics on her side. She has resume experience on her side. And so that missing ingredient, the emotional connection. But that is how we vote. Like and it goes back to like i sometimes think of life as a Student Council election. And back in the lunchroom, you didnt vote for the kid with the better platform. You voted for tom because you liked him. And thats how elections are. Rose so when you look at it today, du find an polls mights indicate this, more and more people who say yes, yes, donald trump could win this thing. Oh, no question. Charlie, i have said for awhile that he had around a 30 chance. Thats rising am we saw that in the poles polls that have them basically tied. We see that in so many republicans who are finding a way to endorse him or they say theyre going to support him but not endorse him or vice versa. But so many republicans are coming home. And were seeing Hillary Clinton doesnt yet have the blup print for firing back. So if we are to Flash Forward and donald trump wins this election, which again for mainly for demographic reasons and map reasons, seems unlikely. Rose it is a steep climb. Sure. Were talking about the politico staff that says that donald trump would need to win seven of ten in white dudes including democrats. Rose and at the same time, they point out that Hillary Clinton has a long way to