Tonight. A turkish Government Official told us that Police Officers spotted three men behaving strangely near the entrance to the international terminal. They approached them, and there was then gunfire and apparently either two or three explosions. This video appears to show the aftermath of the attack, which officials are describing as a suicide bombing. You can see blood idea and lifeless bodies littering the ground, passengers being ushered away, and police and emergency workers at the scene desperately trying to sort through the chaos. Now, ataturk airport is one of the busiest airports in the world. It is a global hub, packed with people at pretty much any time of day, so this will be extremely damaging for turkey and its economy. Rose holly, who do you think might be responsible for this . Charlie, no group has claimed responsibility at this point, that were aware of, but this follows a fate of deadly suicide bombings here in turkey over the last year, some of them including two earlier this year that targeted foreigners have been blamed on i. S. I. S. By the turkish authorities, but others have been carried out by kurdish militant groups that are locked in a longrunning conflict with the turkish government. This country used to be regarded as an oasis of stability here in the middle east, but, charlie, the security situation is now deteriorating rapidly. Rose thanks, holly. Rose welcome to the program. We begin this evening once ben with brexit, and talk to zanny Minton Beddoes, gerard baker and tina brown. The reason we had this referendum was because David Cameron thought having a referendum would quiet an argument within his party. Most people in britain didnt think about it very much but, over time, because tory politicians were blaming everything on the e. U. , the e. U. Became a scapegoat for everything people were cross about and just as tina said, there are many people who feel left behind and they were voting out of frustration against the status quo. I think this is just as much a vote against austerity poll six as globalization. Rose then we talk about politics u. S. Version with catherine rampell, megan murphy and bob costa. Trump is more comfortable at the moment talking about trade. Integration is part of it. But when you see trump trying to navigate a general election audiences, he uses different language and nuance in recent days maybe talking about blocking people from terrorist countries and not just the muslim aspect so you see him not so much centered on immigration, its about the broader theme of economy and trade. Rose brexit and the president ial election when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose tonight we begin with the continuation of our coverage of britains exit from the European Union. E. U. Leaders converged in todaye decision. Prime minister cameron said britain will not be turning its back on europe. Britain will be leaving the European Union but you want i want the process and outcome to be as constructive as possible because while were leaving the European Union, we mustnt be turning our backs on europe. These countries are our neighbors, friends, allies, partners and i hope well seek the closest possible relationship in terms of trade, cooperation and security because that is good for us and for them. Rose e. U. Leaders, however, said britain could no longer expect full access to the e. U. s Common Market without accepting the other conditions including the free flow of workers in. A statement to german parliament, chancellor Angela Merkel said there must be and will be a noticeable difference between whether a country wants to be a member of the European Union family or not. The European Parliament called for a swift brexit to end uncertainty, but merkel stressed the importance of giving the u. K. Ample time to decide how to exit. Internal turmoil exists in britain. The leader of the labour party lost a vote of confidence this afternoon but refused to step down. The pound edged up 1 today and the british ftec rose. Zanny Minton Beddoes joins me, editor of the economist, and tina brown, former editor of the new yorker magazine and current president and c. E. O. Of tina brown live media. I am pleased to have them on the program. Zanny, i go to you for whats happening as we speak in london and brussels. You gave a good summary. The big news today was the labour part, corbyn dramatically lost a vote of no confidence. He said hes not going anywhere. We lost the Prime Minister. The prps said hes resigning friday, now the leader of the opposition incredibly weakened. In brussels, David Cameron i think brussels is probably the most serious place in europe today. We had theater in london and at the European Parliament when nigel farage appeared at the European Parliament to great up roar, but in plus also i think it was serious and David Cameron went to the last e. U. Council meeting and i think serious words were spoken but far and few between now. Rose are they going to have another meeting in which hes not invited . They are absolutely. Tomorrow sends a very powerful signal of whats going on. The e. U. 27, the remaining 27 are going to have a meeting without him. David cameron was there today and will not be there tomorrow. Rose gerard baker and tina brown is here. Tina, you spent a lot of time in this place. I certainly have. Nigel farage telling the european m. P. S theyve never done a days work in their life, the piece of salesman type elegance he has, take about a capeswelling idiot. To say such a thing, was so rude. I think its absolutely fantastic rose whats your opinion of Boris Johnson. Boris johnson, what i really resent about Boris Johnson is hes led britain over a cliff and i believe he was completely unserious in the pursuit of it. I do not believe one minute that boris was a serious brexiter in any way. Rose a political move . Politics. It was exactly the same thing as some of the republican candidates saying things like they wanted to abolish the i. R. S. They know thats not going to happen. He has no plan. He thought this would further the position with the right of his party, give him cred with the right, with the e. U. Kind of voter, and when the election came about he would be the leader of the party. Hes now wrecked the car and has to drive it. Rose he will be Prime Minister in your judgment . Highly likely. May who is already in the race is impressive but doesnt have his communication skills and boris is the great campaigner. Its certainly true that speaking on behalf of all of my countrymen this has not been a moment when weve lived up to the reputation of having a stiff upper lip. Its not exactly the spirit over there is it. A nation of bed wetters and panickers. laughter but its not britains finest hour, fair to say. A couple of things feed to be said and i dont fundamentally disagree with what any of you have said yet, but its important to remember that the british have long been deeply skeptical about European Union. They joined the European Economic community in 1973, ratified the referendum in 1975. What they joined was a Loose Association of states trying to improve Economic Cooperation among themselves, abolishing trade barriers and creating essentially a Single Market. Britain liked that. The british didnt want to give up their sovereignty. Steadily over the last 45 years like a kind of ratchet moving along, there have been a series of movements, ratified by treaties rose an erosion of their sovereignty. Absolutely. Now britains opted out of some of these things. The euro, the agreement which announced movement within a few countries with the exception of britain and a couple of others, have eroded sovereignty. The british people pretty skeptical at the start. Never wanted to be a part of a european superstate. The European Union has as its animated position, its stated position, and weve seen with the problem the euros faced in the last ten years that a tighter union among the core countries is the essential if the project will survive, britain never want to be a part of it. Its easy to portray it as tina does, Boris Johnson running around the country behaving in an opportunistic way or racist antieuropean sentiment, the british have been reluctant members of the e. U. I think this break will be messy and chaotic for a year or so, may be the best thing, because we will instead establish a relation between britain and the European Union that will actually be more sustainable in the long term. Rose and with the rest of the world. With the rest of the world. Lets be clear, this is another one of the myths put about by the brexit people, whether an act of englandism, people yearning for yesterday, wanting to go to the 1950s when britain was cut off from the rest of the world. Not true. Britain wants a trade deal with the United States and the former commonwealth countries. Rose and the European Union. And want a trade relationship with the European Union. Boris johnson as he points out spent a lot of time in europe, he comes from atouche, family. You know, obviously there is an element in british life as in any country where there is a nasty racist xenophobic element. That wasnt the animating principle behind it. I think it was tremendous anxiety. I think the brexit is a metaphor for the overall angst that comes from globalization and digital disruption. Mostly because i think people can feel left behind, left out. Its the same anger we feel with the trump voter. Rose the quality and sources of the anger. The sense life is too fast, leaving everyone behind, theyre cut out, their jobs are disappearing and nothing to replace it. Those who say manufacturing will come back or anything will change with sovereignty, its a lie. It isnt coming base back because of digital ditz ropings and the world is generally a different place. Where i think both labour and the tory party have been at fault is that the real anguish about immigration is a subject no one is allowed to talk about and there i do think that the p. C. Nature of media where everyone who even tries to discuss the issues that have been upsetting people are branded as racist. I agree with that completely. There is a desire quickly, again, people must understand in the United States that as a member of the European Union you sign up to essentially an open borders system. So anyone within the European Union can live and settle and work and draw benefits and get housing and education in any other country in the European Union. In principle, it means anybody in greece or spain or portugal or germany could move to the United Kingdom. There is no control within the European Union borders. There is a National Sentiment and belief that National Resources should be primarily devoted to the people who live there, in britain and elsewhere, but so many people oppose that to say we cant allow a system where anybody can come and live here. Rose let me get back to, first, the economic fallout. Have we seen the worst of it or is the worst yet to come . Second, is the idea this may set off a whole series of people wanting to leave the European Union and a stronger sense of nationalism and all the things tina and gerard have been talking about . Can i quickly point out that when i agree with a lot of what gerard and tina said, peoplemake arguments. The idea people have been skeptical and agoly about the e. U. Is not true. Its a fight within a small element of the conservative party and gerry characterized a view of a movement within the tory party. The reason we had a referendum is David Cameron thought having a referendum would quiet an argument within his party. Most people in britain didnt give two cent about the e. U. , didnt think about it very much but over time because tory politicians were blaming everything on the e. U. , the e. U. Became a scapegoat for ive things people were cross about and as tina said there are many people who feel left behind and they were voting out of frustration and against the status quo and i think this is just as much a vote against austerity and austerity politics as globalization because a lot of people in britain have suffered from the shrinking state and they are concerned about not having control over immigrants but for some its a xenophobia but for most people there are doctors offices, the schools will be too big and house prices going ut. So there are different arguments. To say britain is antie. U. For decades isnt right. 40 of labour voters voted to leave the e. U. That was a protest against David Cameron. The most pro European Union party there is. They wont want to remain in the predicament they have been in the last six years. They havent liked it. Thats taking constructionism way too far. Its clear what people were voting for. Its drew britain is deeply skeptical. Thats why we didnt go to the euro. There was talk of what people were voting for. People were voting against the e. U. Because the e. U. Was give bent to the status quo. Now were seeing the facts that people were not voting for anything concrete because they were promised a trifecta of things they couldnt v. Some people were voting to stop immigration. Some people like your description were voting for a little singapore, a free trading liberal nation. Some were voting to get back to the 50s. They were different and completely inconsistent views and thats why were in the predicament we are now. Britain opted out of the euro because there was never Popular Support for joining the euro. The british did not like what was involved which was the surrender of sovereignty. The opinion poll was taken straight after the vote on friday after what was the most important issue of sovereignty, the economic or immigration, 53 of people said sovereignty. Sovereignty has become a buzz word. You have such a patronizing view. They dont. The most search time on google from the u. K. After the next day was what is the e. U. Many brexit said the next day they were incredibly they didnt believe what they were voted for. They were promised this money was going to go from the e. U. To the National Health care. People should have been given a test before they went into the polling. The maihem, the lies, the craziness in the media ahead of time, no one knew what to believe. The entire political establishment and corporate and city of london was in favor of remain. These are very the president president obama came to the United Kingdom rose but they made a negative there is no public enthusiasm. You couldnt have gone to the british people and said, really, you want to be part of the great european ideal because there is no public support for that. Gerry, every demographic voted. It was overwhelmingly the old voted for brexit not the young. The age was about 45 if you look at the difference. To get to your question about what the economic effects would be rose can we settle this at all in terms of why i think its all of the above. You can find people who voted for the reasons gerry did. You can find people who voted for the reasons tina did. You can find people who voted because they thought it was an argument between David Cameron and Boris Johnson and hated all tories. This is a vote against the establishment, i agree with gerry on that. Weve had enough of the experts as michael gove said. It was the establishment, two fingers to the establishment from the british people. Yes, it was that. But you cant separate that from the sentiment of europe. Polls have shown this for 25 years in britain, its not just confined to a wing of the conservative party andeth one of the labour partys problems. The labour leadership is out of touch with labour voters. This is a deeply again, not hostile but skeptical britain has long been skeptical and indeed skeptical about the whole european project and deeply opposed to because a lot of people have yes, and there are aspects and thats why we didnt join the euro quite sensibly. Britain has a different relationship with the European Union than many of the core members and thats rightly so, but it doesnt mean that what people were voting for now was not powered by different arguments about why they didnt like the status quo and i honestly dont think that a large number a large share of the British Public has been festering as the main thing theyre concerned about for the last 30 years is antieurope. Thats whats happening in the tory party. Rose the questions i raised, the fallout, two the beginning to have the strong surge of nationalism and sort of right wing, for lack of a better word, politics. Let me do the second one first because it links to what we have been talking about. I think we already are seeing a surge of popularrism of different flavors. Were seeing it on your side of