An environment where i have to build constituencies, and in doing that i may have different points of view and portray them differently the to each constituency and may talk differently to each, but at the end of the day, good or bad, im a businessman. Ive built businesses, lost businesses, Capital Gains taxes i paid, tax carry forwards and all this has become an issue, but at the end of the day, lets separate words from actions. Rose we conclude this evening with part one of a twopart conversation with associate Justice Ruth Bader ginsburg of the United StatesSupreme Court. I went to the library and, inside of a month, i had read every law review article, every federal decision that had to do with genderbased differentials. It was no mean feat. There was precious little there and all of it was bad. All of it was whatever lines based on gender that the law draws, its okay with the courts. Rose politics and the court, when we continue. And by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose we begin this evening with an analysis of the second president ial debate. Hillary clinton and donald trump exchanged character attacks and accusations for 90 minutes at Washington University in st. Louis. Moderators Anderson Cooper and martha rat its fielded questions from voters in a town hall format. Trump faced severe criticism after an 200 2005 video surfaced friday in which he makes lewd comments about women. In the debate trump expressed regret saying it was locker room talk but many thought it was bragging about Sexual Assault. Many in his party withdrew their support, some calling for him to withdraw with from the raissments paul ryan said he would no longer back trump. According to a new nbc news wall street journal poll, clinton leads trump by a 14 points. A cnn poll found 57 of debate watchers thought clinton won, 34 said trump won. You bragged you Sexual Assaulted women. Do you understand that . I didnt say that. This was locker room talk. Im not proud of it, i apologize to my family and the american people. Certainly im not proud of it. He has said that the video doesnt represent who he is, but i think its clear to anyone who heard it that it represents exactly who he is. Its just awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. Because you would be in jail. Secretary clinton audience reacts did you use that 916 million loss to avoid paying federal income tax is this of course, i do and so do all or most of her donors if you were president , what would you do about syria and the humanitarian crisis in aleppo and i want to remind you what your running mate said he and i have not spoken and i disagree. I think we should knock out i. S. I. S. Rose joining me with bob costa from the washington post, Jonathan Karl of abc news and frank luntz, founder and chairman of luntz global, a consulting and polling firm. Pleads to have all of them. Jonathan, after the release of the video and the debate and what paul ryan said this morning, where are we with respect to donald trump and his campaign and what might we expect the rest of the week is this were at the point where the most powerful republican in the land will not defend his partys nominee or campaign for him. He technically said he unendorsed hasnt unendorsed him, i dont know what that looks like if thats not. Trump had exceeded very low expectations in the debate rose so he was better compared to the first yes, so he didnt see an exodus of more republicans leaving him in the hours after the debate, but he has certainly not anywhere near turned his campaign away. As a practicicle matter, the party has turned its resources to every other race in the country except president ial president ial i think jonathan is spot on. There is a sense the g. O. P. Is box in because trump met the threshold in the sense he roused the Republican Base that for 25 years has been looking for a searing attack on the clintons that deeply personal and incendiary especially going after the former president s past. Because trump did that, he excited a lot of the g. O. P. Base, so the Party Leadership are reluck tapet to have a mass exodus. At the same time, the Trump Campaign is running almost not as part of the Republican Party. He is the standard bearer but hes running a populous outsider insurgency full of political stunts and pot shots thats different than anything weve seen perhaps in history rose frank, where are we . What was fascinating to me is all the angry republicans, the ted cruztype republicans who moved to gary johnson were on the sidelines, they watched trump in the focus groups yesterday and moved toward him. He said what they needed to hear rose attacking bill clinton . Not in the personal way. The sense of accountability. The sense of saying what did you do with those emails, how do 30,000 of them disappear . The sense he was going to take on washington, d. C. I recognize and im not a trump apologist, i think he truly unders mind if not destroyed the american psyche and is going to take us decades to get out of this rose what does tiflia look like today . I think hes going to philadelphia today. Im not sure but i thought i saw pennsylvania a series of polls in pennsylvania show him down in double digits, and pennsylvania is key to his strategy to putting together 270 electoral votes, but i think, charlie, weve gotten beyond that. I think pennsylvania is a state that is virtually lost to donald trump, even if he put in a stellar performance in that debate. Right now, if you talk to republican leaders, its about trying to keep this from being a catastrophic landslide loss that takes the house and the senate with him rose youre saying most republicans believe this is an unreasonable election for donald trump . Its already lost rose and they will do everything for their senate and house that and maybe you need to prop him up i dont believe that rose you believe there is a path for him to win a narrow one rose has to include pennsylvania and has to include october 19. It means he needs a stellar performance without any of the histrionics or the personal attacks how does he do that . Thats not part of the plan. Hes never been able to do that. Hes never had the discipline and focus. I am not a trump apologist, but we have called him dead hes truly a cat, but hes had nine lives, already rose bob, whats the plan . I think the most telling scene ive covered if the last year came last night around midnight. He had steve bannon and Rudy Giuliani and Kellyanne Conway and other trump advisors piling one black suv here at werent university in st. Louis and they were actively talking about how the commission of president ial debates stopped them from putting women who accused president clinton and secretary clinton of things in the past including Sexual Assault and misconduct in the family box and that this was something they were about to have as a stunt on national tv up until three minutes before the broadcast went live. This was on record from Rudy Giuliani. The plan was to have these women walk out and confront president clinton in that moment where usually the spouses shake hands. They wanted the women confronting president clinton. This was at the top to have the agenda of the Trump Campaign confirmed from both sides to have the discussion. This idea that the Trump Campaign is thinking of the party, im not really hearing that in my report, when i spoke to trump at saturday at length, he said the Republican Party doesnt mean that much. He thinks theyvelogs in the past before because they dont have the guts, as he put it, to challenge the status quo and the clintsens. So this is a candidate and campaign consumed with their own agenda and strategy, not really thinking about what speaker ryan or mcconnell wants rose lets go back to the plan you and dan balch wrote about today, aim correct . Yes rose they wanted to put those women part of the press difference in the vip box. Now, would they want them to be there where bill clinton was . What was the purpose and who stopped it frank farencob stopped it. Rudy giuliani was going to escort them to the box, is that correct . They were going to be escorted to the box, but not only that, they were going to be the people who walk out instead of melania trump. It would have been four women to walk out to shake bill clintons hand or see if he would shake their hand. If you remember last night the family vip boxes were elevated near the stage. They wanted the four women near secretary clinton before the debate. This was nearly executed before a National Television audience i was in the hall last night. The v. I. P. Box, unlike the previous debate, were the only seats there on the stage on the actual stage. I mean, these were to close you could basically reach over and tap Martha Raddatz and Anderson Cooper on the shoulder. These were the four seats set aside for the family. They were going to put the four women, one who accused bill clinton of rape, there in that box on the stage in the eyesight of Hillary Clinton for the entire debate rose the same box where bill clinton was sitting . The two boxes are separated but not by much. But each family had a box on each side rose whose brain child was this, bob . Bannon, trump . Steve brannen former head of brite parenof breitbarten ney giuliani and trump thinking of how to rattle Hillary Clinton insteathis is why you have 6 unfavorability rating, why 45 of americans could not even consider voting for him. This is the problem with the system right now. The system is so inherently broken, charlie, were still 28 days from the election. What happens on day 29, on the day after . How are these people going to govern and talk to each other . How are they even going to sit in the same room . And the republicans are so divided now that paul ryan is not absolutely assured of being reelected speaker, that there are enough republicans that will vote against him and theyre divided not just on donald trump and the personal baggage, you know, where were you when in terms of the Trump Campaign, but theyre divided on the fundamental issues that the party stands for. Is this a party of free trade . Is this a party of Immigration Reform . Is this a party of entitlement reform . What does this party stand for . Rose is anybody undecided in this election at this point . No, theyre uncommitted but not undecided. They decided who theyre going to vote against but they will fight you on who theyre going to vote for, which is what makes it fascinating rose has it become, in the end, as the democrats hoped it would become, a referendum on donald trump . Yeser, and donald trump has himself to blame for it. It was his language, bhairvetion tactics and antics that caused this to happen. The problem is you cant get over it. I cannot emphasize this enough. This has gone so deep into the public psyche that its going to take years to rid ourselves of this poison. The extraordinary thing is republicans see what an opportunity they had with Hillary Clinton perhaps the most flawed nominee democrats have put forward in modern times. You saw her apology on emails look about as sincere as Donald Trumps apology for anyone of his litany of things and you saw her inability to give an answer on what she was talking about in the Goldman Sachs speeches, her idea of public and private per persona, perhaps uh Donald Trumps best response where he invoked abraham lincoln. You saw a situation where obama care is facing severe crisis ant dynamic of political campaigns is not happening. That dynamic is not occurring. What were seeing right now is trump in conversations with the postand others and his people are thinking the same way, they cant stand the media, the Republican Party around dont like the Democratic Party and theyre disengaged from all three institutions and think there is a conspiratorial collusion among the three groups creating what frank has been referencing repeatedly that there is this psyche out there, not only a psyche, its a large group of voters that are now disengaged from these institutions that have really held together american political life and where that goes im not sure but thats something thats actively happening and being stoked by trump. So we have to not allow him on the night of the election to use the phrase, this election was rigged because, if he does, there will be, i think you will agree, tens of millions of people who will believe him and never accept the new administration, forget the money moon, that there will be no affirmations of democracies as we know it which is that the loser accepts the loss and embraces the winner. He was talking about putting her in jail in the president ial debate. Just allow that moment to sink in. I mean, to see him say that he would rose and call her a liar about ten times during the debate. With respect to the russians, any news with respect to how the u. S. Government and the f. B. I. And the National Security council and n. S. A. See the actions of the russians . The Intelligence Community has come out with their finding that it was the russians, that it almost certainly had to be approved by the most senior level of the russian government. The big question is now what, what do they do about it . I dont see you know, i dont think thats clear at all. I mean, weve put that question to the white house rose they say we dont know. We dont know. The fear is and we discussed this a while back. Rose will have to retaliate in some way. There is aeries falcon they retaliate. Youve talked to Richard Clark about this. If they retaliate then the russians retaliate. What happens if they take out the electrical grid in new york city . Cyber war is an entirely new frontier, and its dangerous and, sure, we have the capability to retaliate in kind. It would be interesting to see, you know, Vladimir Putins emails or banking transactions play out on some version of wikileaks, but whats the retaliation to the retaliation . Rose bob, you expect more disclosures to come out about what trump may or may not have said to howard stern or some other entertainment or media outlet that will simply keep this whole pot being stirred by disclosures as people realize that there is a whole lot of stuff out there because donald trump has been a celebrity and in pursuit of attention for a long time . Certainly. The washington post, other news organizations are looking into it, and you also have the Trump Campaign, based on my reporting, fully aware of different tapes and videos that are out there and possibly coming out. In fact, trump Center Circle is bracing this morning and afternoon for more things to come out later this week. There is just an expectation in trump tower that thats going to happen. But the gold mine is really the apprentice, the producer to have the series is owner of many tapes, b role, things never broadcast, featuring trump. He has been reluctant and not released those tapes everyone is trying to get ahold of the apprentice tapes 12 season of them. I talked to a guy who was the sound guy and they dont destroy it. The if donald trump said it, its going to come out. Rose well be right back. Stay with us. Rose tom barrack is here, he oversees a firm of 20 billion in assets. Also a longtime friend of donald trump and close advisor of the campaign serving on the add viz ricouncils. Pleased to have him back on the program. Its a privilege being with you around the wooden table snits been here 25 years. Tell me about the at the bait last night. You know, my personal view has been the same for a while, and this idea of trying to show the rest of the world a piece of donald that they havent seen, which is a more cadenced, professional, controlled demeanor. Its not that he didnt have it, and its not that he wasnt willing to do it and, as weve talked before, when you mention the word pivot to him, hes not very excited about it because his view is that this lack of political etiquette is the key to the door hes trying to establish. But i think it was imperative that people see h he had control, demeanor, poise, that he was intellectually up to the issues and that he had the temperament to be president ial in whatever view that was. Rose the question is whether he did better in the second debate than the first debate. Thats a relative question because there is a consensus he didnt do well in the first debate. You share that . I do. Rose okay. Both candidates have had a large amount of disapproval, and its not the first time in america. We go back to jefferson and jackson and the feuds they had and jefferson and hamilton, the feuds they had. But this seems to be a new level of bitterness. You share that . I do. I think and by the way, just going back, i think donald shares it. In other words, as a disruptor, his view is, if you would have listened to people like me or us at the beginning, he wouldnt be in this position. He would still be a reality show talk host. He would be back on the apprentice, right. In other words, the disruption is what carried the day for him in finding this rose with whom . The constituency of White Working Class men . Right. Well, and i think when we talk about women and i would like to just make one comment, ive known him 40 years in interesting vignettes. Ive known all the women in his life. Ive close to two of his wives, and ivanka