Something people reality to no matter what youre doing going through you can watch somebody change and adapt. Politics and comedy when we continue. And by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Good evening. Im judd apatow filling in for charlie rose. While the country remains divided on the new administration we can all agree President Donald Trump is like no other before him. Many of us lay people, myself include, keep up with the news lately but its difficult to parse out what his policies mean for the country. With me to discuss the trump press si is Maggie Haberman and Keith Olbermann and republican strategist ed rollins. Im please to have them at this table. Well, what do we think . What happened in the last four and a half minutes . Seconds is the better way to do it. Since weve been in the studio we had one advisor saying his National Security advisor is safe and other source said that may not be so and the president has not weighed in and you can take that circumstance and apply to anything in this press s presidency. You have a divided camp and you see it play out on staffing choices big and small, on matters of National Security. On matters of how theyll lay out their week on policy. Its very hard to keep up with. I feel like he runs the country like he ran the apprentice. The apprentice was two teams and then he would have his kids follow around the teams. He didnt follow them and then say ivanka howd meatloaf do and now hes going ivanka howd north korea do. Its scary, isnt it . Its unusual. And today we had pictures emerge from the weekend at mara lago and ive been there and its open air and hes there with guests and someone has an iphone light on in the middle of the dining area on the missile test and its shocking to see. This is the problem when he says i have nothing to do with my business. Its a privately owned company by his business. Shouldnt somebody be with him going, donald, lets go talk about this in the other room. How come thats not happening . He doesnt have the kind of relationship to say mr. President , lets do exactly that. Traditionally when you come into the game you have a been a senator, congressman and have a team around you that knows you and youve worked it through. Every one of these people are principles. Theyve all become celebrities Time Magazine but they werent national figures. In the reagans white house they knew the game and the hill and all the players. This is a Brand New Team and i think i dont think with the possible exception of bannon he doesnt see anybody as a peer so hes not use to having somebody say come over here and lets do it this way. He sees everybody as staff and not highlevel staff. You have a scenario maggie pointed out where the people and theyre understaff and clearly understaffed in terms of experience and those who are there are jockeying for position while the world operates itself without the United States interference. The administration has been dedicated to the large broadscale domestic policies which theyve tried to effect with the muslim bans and over the weekend but the larger picture in a world thats not waiting for donald trump to make up his minds go to hell in a hand basket theoretically and the focus of the administration is whos going to be the principle ed just described. Who is going to be the adult he listens to. Even the halffocus on the rest of the world is itself divide in half again. Its madness. The other thing i find amazing youre elect to a fouryear term. Were now in our 22nd day. Youre all exhaust. Im exhausted watching it. The staff have to be buried. Hes met with heads of state as he did today and yesterday and has a Supreme Court justice and it all gets lost in the cycle. When you appoint a Supreme Court justice should have been the story of the week. It should have been the sunday talk show. Heres one of the most important things and by the weekend youre talking about immigration issues. Hes undermining himself. The opposition to him is also scattered and diffused and nominated gorsach. He has had people willing to push back to a certain extent. Theres two things at play. One is he feels as if he has vanquished the critics and they ought to be praising him and he understands why they dont and he doesnt think hed win i know he says he did but i dont think he understands what it means yet. Its a lot of work. You worked in the white house and its a massive amount of work and you always hear about obama being up for hoursing briefing books and then today they were talking about when they brief him its like a onepage bullet points with graphics. He likes maps. Does that concern you knowing whats in the briefings . Im an american and i know what go on and teach a course in the american presidency and hes a unique presidency. Can you do it that way . One of the reasons i think the potential is there if he gets the thing focussed on three or four Big Decisions a day. The rest of the decisions are made in the cabinet. He doesnt have his cap net in ve the ability to make a you decision you sit down and listen to the argument and make the decision and then go do whatever you want to do. But if you cant make the decisions and are basically rushed. My argument at this point in time is whoever is scheduling him is over scheduling him. Theres too much activity going on. You dont bring in the canadian Prime Minister in today. Those are big, heavyduty things you should be prepared for and have 48 hours and have you people come in and talk to you. If you dont like to read which apparently he doesnt you have people come in and explain whats going on in canada, whats going on in japan and then he so overrackets to over reacts to the media and you argue about who sets the agenda but you dont start on day one theyre the bad guys because theyre not. Theyre basically you may not like what they always write but at the end of the day the key thing is shes going write a story. My job is to make sure my part of the story if im working for the president is in that story and nothing she writes is incorrect. This is where i think his staff is not serving him well in the sense that his staff knows how he is and lose his cool over certain types of stories and sean spicer needs to go with a wink and nod because youre not advancing him. The talk shows and every west wing official on any show theyre performing for an audience of one and thats President Trump and before there was a message to sooth leaders. His point is to have everybody rattled and asked for ten time what i deserved and he said youll get 40 times and hes trying to scare everybody but i dont know if every country deals with the approach. Youre point is right and explains everything including eds point about we have time in Human History otherwise everything would happen all at once. This is a president working in a format of the tv show. We put all these things together and thats fundamentally the problem. Youre going to the boardroom to please this man and cant separate the idea of the presidency from the role on the television show. I imagine maybe this would get through. If somebody were to get through saying you know the ratings on your show in that format declined steadily to the point at the end you were the 85th or 86th most popular show. Need somebody to reformat. Historically fascinating as living in this moment is, you can say the cuban missile crisis in 1962 was historically fascinating. I wouldnt have wanted to have been more than 3 years old and lived through that or want to live through this. We have to steer him out of the office or out of running the office this way. Those are the two choice. Why have the russian hacking story and Michael Flynn story important . Because its a Foreign Agent thats been an adversary and has an impact on the election. I wouldnt say as it determinate and the Obama White House was uncertain how to look at this. They looked at them as interfering in a campaign. It was an openquestion on what trump would do with the sanctions. If Michael Flynn was telling them wait until were in office for the sanctions. Thats problematic. Then you have flynn who is at this point appears to have acknowledged he misled the Vice President and possibly the president. Hes apologized to the Vice President who went out and defend him. Whys he making that call . Doesnt he have to make that call because Donald Trump Tells him to make that call . Doesnt he have to call russia . I dont know with flynn. Hes been a freelancer. And fired by the Obama White House. And part of the reason is we knew he feels like putin the president like the rest of us felt about putin. Hes a bad guy whos committed bad acts and replace putin with khomeini and you say i wanted a Good Relationship with him. Lets love him but putin is a dangerous man. Everybody knows hes basically playing games in the world and the fact that trump want to love this guy and him love him i think bothers a lot of people. I think it shouldnt though, doesnt it . It sure as heck should. The bottom line is we get in a fight with the canadians and mexicans and australians who are our friends and allies and people who are have not been our friends and allies and befriend them is absurd. Theres been an effort to suggest trump is somehow influence ruia and we dont know why hes saying this stuff because he has a 25 year history of praising authoritarians he gave an interview to playboy about the chinese handling of the Tiananmen Square massacre. It sounds like he had a tough dad and now he loves these brutal people. He want to be putin in some way. He may not even understands what that means but i dont think hell ever ride a horse with his shirt off. A picture of his father is the only picture he has in the oval office right behind the resolute desk and hes the only boss hes ever had. They had a question if he had a hero he extolled his father and said he sold and built houses in queens and the bronx. He had to separate himself from his father as if that were not good enough. I wanted to point out if youre going to try to psychoanalyze the president , first i hope have you a long time and a whole team to work on it because lets be kind, the most complex, hows that for a pleasant word, complex president. You have Rex Tillerson and youre an older man and what is the reason its one of the biggest jobs in the world. Get to travel the world. Its fascinating. You have a gigantic agency. You dont have to worry about making money which you do at exxon mobil and it will be prestigious and his obituary will read he was secretary of the state. I wouldnt take any of these jobs because im a reporter but part with tillerson with mattis and others see a sense of patriotism and see a man who doesnt have experience and has a team thats divide and only trusts his family and they feel they want to steer the ship. As we have seen we dont quite know and the cabinet is not fully in place yet to be fair. We dont know how much authority hell have. You saw kelly get steamrolled on immigration and tillerson on the immigration order. You have seen trump overruled tillerson on who he wanted as his number two at the state department and you have people that went in with a real sense of duty and honor and i think theyre being a bit frustrated. What about the fact that his family is so involved in the administration. When they say his closest confidant is ivanka what does it mean to you . It would mean more if theyre in new york. The soninlaw dealt with him once a week and said im coming down friday and lets have lunch and opposed to being in every single meeting and a president s entitled to whoever he want to advise him and go outside the administration, inside the administration. I hope theres more. I hope theres more people. The problem i think at this point in time is you dont have clearcut lines of tlrerritory. I would go any place, anywhere at anytime and the president would Say Something and a would go around it but these are people fighting, pushing, shoving to get the role. As wineberg said to me when he was secretary of defense he said the next time the president asks me about politics he said you give him an answer on defense. You hit on an important point if ivanka was in new york. This is a president always selling but in life. Donald trump has always been about closing the deal. The time when he has had the most interest in talking to me is when he was trying to sell me on some version of himself. I remember his quick story about one of his aides called me and said hell declare on june 16 and we want you to write about this and i said no and they said why and i said he did this before and im in the playing this game and a had lunch with him june 3 and he was sitting here and his Campaign Manager was sitting here and he was trying to sell me on doing this and was clearly getting frustrated i wasnt buying. I was wrong and should have written about it but i had a good reason not to. I think its the same with tillerson. The reason he was interested in him is because he wasnt interested. If his daughter were here and werent in d. C. Hed be reaching out for the input instead he can get that and its something thats played out. His kids are very smart kids. And they have. I think they give him the best counsel they can what have you. My opinion is if you slow it down a little bit and say what was the stupid 100day thing win f. D. R. The idea you have to get it done in a time period and says i have to work on health care and infrastructure plan and tax plan and the idea im going to get it all done right now at the same time hes fighting over the election they stole in New Hampshire one me which is all absurd whats that mean . Andrew sullivan was writing how he think we should all be concerned on his lack of stability. Youve done commentary about this. When somebody says theres 3 illegal votes and no evidence and misinformation or lies coming from him, what do we make of that in terms of that . Is it a strategy, delusional . What is that . We can hunt for a meaning and psychoanalyze him for 1,000 years but theres a pattern that it represents. If the president want it believe there were 3 million illegal voters bussed, fine. It doesnt really have really a meaning except template and someone can say to him the real problem in asia is not north korea. Its south korea. We have to come down hard on the South Koreans because they have a corrupt government or the australians are behind the trouble. Whats when he believes something as fabricated as something as importance. Thats why its relevant as a warning to reallife issues. Every time he says something thats not true when they have meetings at the white house they its not true and setting the table for more Voter Suppression or mass incarceration . You say its fake news and a certain part of the population believes its something. I dont believe theres a plan. The truth is i worked for nixon, reagan and ford. Regan spent 40 years developing a philosophy and he had positions hes adopted he wanted to implement. He knew Strong National defense was important and had an agenda when he got there and got most of it accomplished. I dont see an agenda. I see keep illegals out, protect the country, make America Great again. Whos to say americas not great as it is. He sold a bunch of guys and some women who didnt live up to their expectations and theyre now middle class or cant take care of kids and the america is not what they dreamt it would be and sold them that something was wrong. Its also the third term. Its always a tough time to get a third term and she was not a strong candidate. I think at this point in time he needs to just say all right these are four and five things im going to get done. If i make the Business Economy better and get xrats corporate taxes to 15 and dont do anything else it will stimulate the economy somewhat. If i can change doddfrank and fix the economy. Fixing obama cares a massive problem. Thats going to take a lot. And doddfrank, doesnt that put us at risk as having the same problems as 2008 . I dont think so. The problem with doddfrank is its now become a bureaucracy for accountants and lawyers and forced banks not to lend money. You have to make banks lend money again and whatever that takes is what we have to do. Someone said to me whys the stock market keep going up and i said well if you can borrow money at 1 you can make money too but nobody gets to borrow at 1 . You have to be part of the system. What we have to do is stimulate Small Business and we have thousand of Small Businesses going bankrupt every year and they need the ability for better planning and lower business taxes will help that. How do you feel about the potential gutting of the Consumer Protection bureau . This is something Elizabeth Warren worked on and saved people hundreds of millions of dollars from getting ripped off by the banks and it seems like its a giant target. Whats your opinion about the n intention to do that . I think theres a big gap and what he says or does with his executive orders which are press releases on steroids as a colleague put it. And what happens is i think he is at risk of getting, to your point, a bit of a feel what got him elected and its a jobs and the economy and he said jobs and the economy lots of time in every speech and it resonated with people. His first few weeks in office were focussed on trade and renegotiating nafta and focussed on things voters who might be concerned about the gutting of Elizabeth