hired. so fewer teenagers, more individuals over the age of 25 getting back into the job market, alex. again, there's a lot of questions about how this will go down just because a lot of individuals, according to recruiting firms who have done a lot of polling and studying of this issue, say that a lot of americans have rethought work during the pandemic and what it is that their priorities are particularly for those individuals who might be front work facing service type professionals who don't want to go back in the middle of another virus surge. >> yeah, i know there's a lot to talk about. one thing this virus has taught us, we have to re-assess, have learned to be fluid. we've looked at benchmarks and have them be adjusted. it's in control in so many ways of so many things. anyway, thank you so much, heidi. i appreciate that. joining me right now msnbc political analyst julian castro, former hud secretary and a former 2020 democratic