race can answer some of the questions about the state of the electorate and forces that will shape the race next year. that begins with donald trump as a motivator for republicans and especially for democrats and how that affects who votes and who does not. how do you think it's going to play out, susan? >> well, there's some interesting things you have to look at below the top line numbers on the governor's race. and that's the state house races in swing districts where independents and republicans who voted for biden are leaving biden in droves. that is very significant. and that is something that the democrats are concerned about, which is why they're pushing their turnout. the highest turnout of virginia's governor's race has ever had was 48% in 2017. so they know to get -- to make that win, they need to be above 46% in voter turnout. otherwise, the voters that went for biden are going to leave. they're not just leaving because