this as well as bill burns, and jake sullivan, all work the together before they trust each other. they've gone forward on this path of authorized disclosures. i think it's something we'll see in the future. in is operationalizing intelligence all for the good of the united states. >> so, we've seen the escalations in eastern ukraine over the last 48 hours or so. how do we know when it changes from cross-border skirmishes to an official new russia invasion or incursion? >> we're going to see units move. you know, again, there's such a soak of intelligence. we will see with -- if not within seconds, within minutes either russian land forces move, missile strikes or russian air power. we'll get that. i go back to the idea of, i think the intelligence community has done a really good job of, you know, painting the right picture, of providing situational awareness for the administration. intelligence is never predictive. it shouldn't be. we've given our policymakers the