Government would remain shutdown. Todays strategy does not appear to be working. And now john boehner has to figure out what tomorrows strategy is. Put yourself in John Boehners shoes for a moment. Imagine what its like for him to wake up every morning and face the forces that are assembled against him. One simple goal. To survive another day. John boehner must find a way to placate the tea party, whose irate with any talk of negotiations not including obama care, the entirety of American Finance capitalism, that has told him he cannot blow through the debt ceiling, and then theres the American People. According to a new nbc news poll, both the gop and the tea partys favorability rating that sunk to an alltime low. And 53 of americans blame republicans in congress for the budget standoff, compared to 31 who blame the president. With those three separate interests in mind, John Boehners play is this. What we want to do is to offer the president today the ability to move. A temporary increase in the debt ceiling, an agreement to go to conference on the budget. Farright groups like Heritage Action are falling behind boehners plan, but amazingly, this is a total reversal of his strategy to focus on the debt ceiling. Importantly for boehner, however, the Tea Party Gets to keep on trying to kill obama care. When it comes to the continuing resolution, when it comes to the issues dealing with obama care, were going to continue to hold our ground. And just looking at the stock market, you can see the lords of finance are reassured. Stocks taking off. The dow posting its biggest point gain of the yore. The markets are clearly sniffing a deal. The stock market is telling us in no Uncertain Terms that they believe this deal is a foregone conclusion. So the markets rally and the government remains closed indefinitely. Because for the speaker of the house, as long as the tea party and wall street are happy, he gets to survive another day. While the Republican Party burns to the ground and the American People are subjected to prolonged, unnecessary misery. I live paychecktopaycheck and i dont know what is going to happen. So i dont know whats going to happen on the 1st. As of today, im not going to be receiving my school benefits. And without that, that does not pay for me to go to school. I get wic and i get food stamps and its going to be pretty tough. I already have enough guilt with the ptsd and things that im not over there and someone else is there in my place, and now im not being appreciated for what i have done, here. A white house statement characterized the meeting with house leadership as good, even though no specific determination was made on a path forward. President obama has repeatedly said he will entertain negotiations on anything, but only after the government is reopened. Joining me now is congressman javier bacera. Congressman, whats your reaction to the news of the day, in which the gop has issued this sixweek clean debt ceiling while the government stays shutdown and no word out of the house leadership what the status of that offer is. Chris, i think weve been watching this movie for three years now, and it doesnt have a good ending anytime. So we need to change the video. Its time to do Something Different and its time for us to get to work and do our job. We didnt get elected to shut down government. We didnt get elected to put 800,000 americans out of work. And we certainly didnt get elected to run the economy down in the ground at a time when it was finally recovering. So i think, chris, our republican colleagues should know that this is a time now to stop the game playing and get to it. I want to be clear on the position of the House Democratic leadership. What is the position of the House Democratic leadership with respect to a proposal in which the debt ceiling would be raised and that vote would be in the house, talks would initiate on the budget, while the government would stay shutdown, and all the misery and cascading problems that emanate from that would continue. What is the position of the House Democratic leadership on that proposal . Well, first, chris, weve not seen that proposal. Because the republicans have only talked about a proposal. And who knows exactly what went down in the white house. What we do know is this. The republicans did not offer the president a proposal that would put americans back to work, and that would guarantee that our economy would not slip into recession. And so, because we dont have that, im not sure if the republicans are going to put anything in writing. What democrats have always said, and there are 200 democrats ready to vote for a clean budget that lets us reopen our government and put americans back to work. And were ready to make sure that we dont default on our past debts. Were not talking about future spending. Were talking about the spending that republicans and republicans voted for to now pay for that. We need to make sure we continue forward and were ready to sit down and talk, as we always have been, about all those issues that we have to deal with to have a fiscally responsible government. Congressman, youre a veteran of politics. You know your way around this game. Have you ever seen an unforced error, a willing selfimmolation, like what the House Republican caucus has done over the last two weeks . It is astonishing. Ive never witnessed this. And quite honestly, chris, what were seeing is, a family feud thats extremely intense in the Republican Party, where the right and the far right are going at it. And of course, the victims of all of this are the 800,000 plus americans who cant go to work tomorrow. An economy thats recovering, but who knows. Will interests hike is up because of the way the republicans are treating the economy . Lets put it this way, we talk about Banana Republics as if those are the kind of governments we never want to have. I think republicans are acting like theyre part of a Banana Republic and theyre Treat America as if its some second class country. Yeah, and you know what, i wonder if this if you worry, as a member of congress, a lot of the anger right now, the polling that we have out at nbc wall street journal tonight shows that the republicans are bearing the lions share of the blame. Record disapproval of the tea party, huge margins that disapprove of their handling of this, 70 of poll respondents think theyre playing politics. And yet, you as a member of congress, are tainted by this. If you go and talk to people in diners and gas stops and subway stations, people are saying this congress, congress, the government. Do you feel like you are being tainted by this . Is it destroying the reputation of the institution . Oh, no doubt. And i can understand the publics anger. A pox on all of us. They just want us to get our work done. I wish we could have them discern whos really shutting down government, whos risking the economy, and whos not. But, again, i cant blame them, because were all part of the same place. Just like car salesman, some of the priests in the catholic church, everyone got tainted. And that broad brush is striking all of those of us who are in elected office. And thats why we had to push to get this done. And perhaps the most disappointing thing here, chris, is those republicans who say theyre ready to vote for a clean bill to fund the government to get americans back to work, but they dont come forward. And thats the most discouraging part of this. Its cowardice. We know theyre there, theyre just not coming out. Congressman behavier becerra, thanks so much for your time. Joining me now, ryan grimm. Take me through the latest here. We had a very bizarre scene after that white house meeting. There were no formal press statements by any of the parties. The House Speaker, john boehner, skedaddled out of there. There was briefly a New York Times report that the white house had rejected the offer out of hand, which sent everyone scrambling, sent futures markets and foreign stock exchanges nosediving. And now that looks like its been retracted. So where are we right now . The amount of money that changed hands globally as a response to that New York Times breaking alert, you know, must be in the billions. You know, it was walked back maybe 15 minutes to a half an hour later, but youre right, it was kind of a surreal moment, and what weve learned that came out of the meeting is that theyre going to keep talking. Like you said, republicans are going to work through the night. But theyre now focused on handling the debt ceiling. But think about where that puts them. So they had two issues that they could deal with. They could deal with the government shutting down, which is hurting people all across the country, or they could deal with a debt ceiling, which is very much perceived as a wall street kind of global elite issues. Republicans are jumping and handling that, while letting the Government Shutdown you know, conceivably, through thanksgiving. Oh, there is no better illustration of the mechanisms of power within the American Government and the Republican Party than what pressure was brought to bear. And who is powerful in this country. The women and thats potential harm that hasnt even been done yet. There is actual harm being done to millions of people a day. And that wasnt enough to change it. Heres a question to you. What do you think, from your reporting, what is the feeling of harry reid, the Senate Democratic leadership, which is the key player in this, and the white house, about this idea that you just keep the Government Shutdown, but past this debt ceiling increase, because that essentially is some sop that cuts you off from the potential worst cataclysm, but you are then negotiating with the government still shutdown, which the president has reiterated, he does not want to do. This is one of the most fascinating and leasttold parts of this story, is that the relationship between john boehner and harry reid and also, importantly, between John Boehners staff and harry reids staff, is at an absolute low. They despise each other, personally. They dont trust each other. You know, they were sniping at each other in the press recently. So theyre not working together. You know, theyre talking to other people to let each other know what theyre going to do. Now, if the house passes a clean, sixweek bill through their chamber, i dont think the senate can allow the government to default, because theyre angry at the house. But, you know, harry reid had a pretty funny remark today. He said, look, he basically said, look, im going to wait until the house produces something. He said, when i woke up, they had three different plans. Ive been at the white house for two hours and on the way back, they might have come up with a few more. And heres the if a debt ceiling passes in the house and gets passed in the senate, you take that off the board. Heres harry reid talking about any conversation happening while the governments still closed. Take a listen. Open the government, let us pay our bills, well negotiate with you about anything. They want to negotiate for you not going to happen. Is that the white houses position . That is i mean, it depends on what you mean by negotiating. I mean, they were sitting at a table this evening right, thats right. Talking about stuff. Well, they were talking about talking. I think that was prenegotiation. Msnbc contributor ryan grim, thanks for your time. Joining me now is james pethokoukis, with the American Enterprise institute, a cnbc contributor and someone i read regularly. A great pleasure to have you on the show, james. Well, youve been a critic of this strategy, from the very beginning. And i have to say the polling out tonight is pretty remarkable. And whats remarkable about it is, you have the following. Three months of everyone whos anyone in the gop center right establishment say, this is political suicide, please do not do this, this is dumb. And then the tea party went ahead and said, were doing it. And lo and behold, look at the results. Ill read you some of these poll results. Who do you think is more to blame for the shutdown, president obama, 31 , republicans in congress, 53 . 27 believe they are demonstrating strong leadership. 70 put their own political agenda ahead of what is good for the country. Do you want to scream, i told you so . If i could take that just one step further. We got those really just dreadful poll results out, and if you listen to what some of the house members, who left that meeting with the president , what they said, the only thing i can conclude is, one, obama care is more or less off the table. Any of these negotiations, because they didnt talk about it. And then, if you listen to representative lynn jenkins after that meeting, what she said was, listen, we all know the shutdown is causing a lot of pain out there. We like to get this thing ended as soon as possible, maybe monday. So, listen, they are running to reopen the government. It would be my expectation at some point next week, youre going to have republicans vote to extend the debt limit, you know, six weeks, and reopen the government. So you are saying right now, your prediction is just a complete is basically a complete declaration, declaring complete, total, abject defeat and just passing a cr and debt ceiling hike and then just saying, okay, lets talk about the budget. I think thats exactly whats going to happen. So then theyll have their budget negotiations, which arent going to go anywhere, because theres still huge disagreement thats right, because theres the same intractable problems you have with the super committee, the same intractable problems that couldnt be solved to save the nation from sequestration, theyre still there. None of that has changed. But what has changed, i would like to get your thoughts on this, what kind of pressure do you think was brought to bear on the House Republican leadership in the last 48 hours as more and more of their members started saying some truly daft and dafy things about the debt ceiling . You know what, you know, during the whole t. A. R. P. Debate back in 2008, wall street kept calling hank paulson with the exact same message, this is a catastrophe, you need to do something. The exact same message thats coming from wall street this time around. This is a catastrophe, you have to do something. And the interviews over the weekend, with some republican congressmen who said, listen, its not that big a deal. Listen, the debt default would actually bring stability. Well, today, decisively, wall street rejected that argument. Because when it looked like they were going to avoid a debt limit problem, the market went up 300 points. Do you think theres a change in the shift of the balance of power here, between, you know, for lack of a better word, the wall street wing of the party and the kind of ted cruz, animated Tea Party Caucus in the house . Well, listen, i think the fact is that wall street has really had the facts on their side. That always helps in an argument. It really does. That the consequences, i know youve been highlighting some of the pain the shutdown has caused, but the consequences from a debt default would be far worse and they would be global. So that is a very powerful argument. Of course, the problem from a messaging standpoint now that to do this 180 and say, okay, lets get the debt ceiling out of our way and lets keep the Government Shutdown, is the point ryan grim made, and its a point were going to be making throughout the show, yes, i agree, i do not want us to reach the debt ceiling, it would be possibly catastrophic. But when wall street calls and says, dont do this, you answer the phone and dont do it. Meanwhile, youve got the parks shut down, people kicked off wic, its not a very good image to put forth to the gop. I think you saw that in the polls. And one thing representative jenkins said after she came out of that meeting was, we know theres a lot of pain. Theyre hearing it from their constituents. I know its not the entire government, its part of the government, but the republican congressmen are getting a lot of grief back home about it. James pethokoukis from the American Enterprise institute, thanks a lot. Thank you. Coming up a special place with me, being connected so heavy in ag, still farming some. When i go home, i dont get to do a lot of physical labor, but im still around and many, many friends and relative who is still farm. And it does have a special place. That was congressman Steven Fincher, republican from tennessee. 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